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March 19, 2015 5:41 am at 5:41 am #1065599Jersey JewParticipant
He’s not really dead. Well, HE is but his son that took over is not dead. That being said, they are still choteh u’machteh.March 19, 2015 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #1065600popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Who is this son? He isn’t listed on the internet anywhere (I can’t even find a website for them).
Where does he have semicha from? What is his expertise in kashrus?March 20, 2015 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #1065601
Google “David Saffra Nachum Saffra”. Several results down, there’s their site, which is merely a PDF describing their operation.
They are very straightforward, actually, about the idea that their entire appeal is that they don’t charge a lot.
Mashgichim cost money. You get what you pay for.
What is [their] expertise in kashrus?March 20, 2015 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1065602nishtdayngesheftParticipant
What is also interesting to note is that in the listing immediately before the one referenced by DY, there is a pdf of their certifications on Dow Corning oils.
There are two certifications, both allegedly by R David Saffra. The signatures are clearly from different people.
Just saying.March 20, 2015 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1065603
Wow, weird.September 8, 2019 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #17849801hockerParticipant
There is a picture going around today of a package of buns containing the Luchos K symbol, with PORK listed in the ingredients. I’ll let you make the call from there. It may also explains why even the conservatives won’t consider it a reliable hashgacha.September 9, 2019 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1784997justme22Participant
I think kashrus organizations have to be careful about the words they use against the competition they can’t get in trouble. But we wouldn’t get in trouble for saying that here, we are not Kashrus entities. No different than saying a restaurant is not clean. I think
I knew someone who was a “mashgiach”for the fbi, basically they send him around to make sure Kashrus agencies are doing their jobs. He can’t say whether or not they follow proper Halacha but it’s got a be kosher according to something. It is about false advertising you put a symbol and fool consumers into beliving your organic , vegan , etc certification is real without it meaning something.September 9, 2019 4:11 am at 4:11 am #1785001takahmamashParticipant
This thread was started by oomis, one of the people I really respected in the CR way back when. I miss her posts.September 9, 2019 3:02 pm at 3:02 pm #1785181Eli51Participant
Tablet K gives hechsheirim to dairy places that have both kosher & non kosher in the establishment for example in a bagel store that sells bagels, tuna fish etc can also sell pork & he states in the sign in the window what products the hechser covers. In addition there is no Mashgiach temidi in the store so who knows what goes on. I myself would not recommend such an hechser.September 9, 2019 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #1785206MenoParticipant
There is a picture going around today of a package of buns containing the Luchos K symbol, with PORK listed in the ingredients.
It wasn’t a package of buns, it was some type of pork/mozzarella cheese product. It is very clear that the kosher symbol was put there in error.September 9, 2019 5:05 pm at 5:05 pm #1785216JosephParticipant
Which raises the question of how Yidden can rely on *any* hechsher on a non-Jewish food product considering that even inadvertently placing a kosher symbol on non-kosher food products can and do occur. Whether the symbol is OU, OK or other national hechsherim. And it surely does lead to Yidden r”l eating non-kosher.September 9, 2019 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #1785212GadolhadorahParticipant
Meno is correct. The mozzarella cheese used in the product clearly is not made with cholov Yisroel.September 9, 2019 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1785239GadolhadorahParticipant
Likewise, its hard to find a good chasideshe hashgacha for pork buns these days.
On a more serious note, its a good reminder that we need to look carefully even at products with a familiar hashgacha symbol since even the most reliable hashgachos occasionally make mistakes OR more likely, the producer may have used the template from another kosher product in designing the label for another product that is clearly treifus.September 9, 2019 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #1785270
Which raises the question of how Yidden can rely on *any* hechsher on a non-Jewish food product considering that even inadvertently placing a kosher symbol on non-kosher food products can and do occur.
Things can always go wrong, no matter who owns the company, but halacha allows us to rely on rov, chazaka, mirsus, etc.
You’re fooling yourself if you think the heimishe hechsherim only certify food which comes from Jewish owned factories. That’s not to say that some heimishe hechsherim aren’t better in some ways than the national hechsherim (some hechsherim with Hebrew letters OTOH are horrible), but it’s only a matter of degree. If you buy any processed foods, you’re relying on an assumption that nothing went wrong.September 10, 2019 1:07 am at 1:07 am #1785314DrYiddParticipant
charlie hall, the heter that the rav ztl relied on goes back to his grandfather. if any of the commenting amai ha-eretz want to comment, it is incumbent to first learn the sugyot.September 10, 2019 1:07 am at 1:07 am #1785331Thank HashemParticipant
Why does every question posted on this website always end up in having childish comments between 2 or more people lashing out at each other in such disgusting language??? What has become to the oilem??? Why are we such babies???? These comments are mostly written in a language expected from teenagers. What is wrong with our generation? I am so disgusted, this was bl”n the last time I am on the yeshiva world website. Good bye everyone, and don’t forget to grow up before you reach the age of 90.
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