February 4, 2013 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #608076
I know rabbi Belsky is lenient for the Keurig not needing tevilah any one else know any other poskim’s opinion.
(I know there are opinions about electric keilim in general that it is considered attached to the ground. but that doesn’t seem to be the followed opinion.)February 4, 2013 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #928049ujewParticipant
“A group of Yungerleit brought a Keurig Coffee Brewer to Harav Shlomo Lubin Shlita at BMG moments ago, to inquire about the Toveling requirements for the popular coffee machine. Reb Lubin Shlita Paskened, that the machine-which brews the coffee by inserting the small pre-filled cups- must be Toveled.”February 4, 2013 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #928050YW Moderator-18Moderator
We have the personal home machine. We toiveled it and let it dry for about 5 days before using it. It is fine.February 4, 2013 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #928051
‘ would be preferable in addition to his giving you the monetary payment.’
ive been out of noshim/nezikin for a while, but doesnt a goy not have a kinyan with kesef? whats with the ‘preferable’?February 5, 2013 12:50 am at 12:50 am #928053lopman24Participant
Rabbi Reisman holds it needs tevila.February 5, 2013 6:48 am at 6:48 am #928054Sam2Participant
Toi: Some Rishonim (the Meiri maybe?) hold that they do so since this is just to be Yotzei a Safek which is already a Safek (I’m assuming this thing is made of plastic and/or glass with no real metal touching the food or being the Maamid) then we can use more lenient opinions by this Kinyan, unlike Mechiras Chametz which is already a weak leniency, so we throw every Chumra in the book at that Kinyan.February 5, 2013 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #928055artsyParticipant
R’ Simcha Bonim Cohen recommended us to this Yungerman in Lakewood who took it apart and put it back together – thus making it an object created by a Yid. He’s obviously very knowledgeable in how much he has to take apart and in how to take it apart, without breaking it.February 5, 2013 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #928056
According to the 0u standard tevilah wouldn’t help because it doesn’t get the water internally anywayFebruary 6, 2013 3:58 am at 3:58 am #928057ThePurpleOneMember
why cant it be toveiled like any other item?February 6, 2013 4:30 am at 4:30 am #928058alter bochurParticipant
purple- people are overly concerned that such an expensive item may be permanently damaged from the water, as it has somewhat sensitive electronics inside.February 6, 2013 5:33 am at 5:33 am #928059ThePurpleOneMember
oh wow i feel quite stupid now 4 not thinking that!! thanx!!February 6, 2013 8:50 am at 8:50 am #928060
Sam- i dont follow.February 6, 2013 11:38 am at 11:38 am #928061interjectionParticipant
I brought my keurig down to my rav’s house and asked him how to tovel it. he told me it doesn’t need to be toveled and he is generally very machmir.
show it to your rav if you want direction.February 6, 2013 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #928062crisisoftheweekMember
So even though there is a perfectly acceptable opinion that claims it does not need tevila, people are looking for opinions that would obligate them to possibly destroy their new purchase.
I guess it’s ok if it helps show how frum you really are.February 6, 2013 3:27 pm at 3:27 pm #928063
Crisis of the week. I have no idea what you mean . There is one opinion that holds a halacha then everyone should go that way. . There is another option. Don’t buy one.February 6, 2013 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #928064anonymouschochomMember
Even if it would need tevila, how would you toivel it?
The water from the mikveh cannot fill the inside reservoir of the machine. It could only fill when plugged in and the water is electronically pumped inside.
Are the Rabbonim told this fact when asked the shailah? Or do you have to plug in the machine and turn it on while it is immersed in the mikvah water?February 6, 2013 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #928065
ouchy.February 6, 2013 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #928067oomisParticipant
I tried to post a response for this, and I wonder what about my post was worthy of mod-rejection. I specified a halacha relating to women, and thought it might apply to keilim as well. Mods, please clarify what I should have said differently.
It is not to be compared, and false, so we deleted it.February 7, 2013 1:56 am at 1:56 am #928068Ðash®Participant
The water from the mikveh cannot fill the inside reservoir of the machine.
What inside reservoir? The Keurig is a drip coffeemaker, not an espresso machine.February 7, 2013 3:52 am at 3:52 am #928069anonymouschochomMember
There is an internal reservoir which holds hot water at all times so you can get a cup of coffee quickly.
That’s why when you first plug in or turn on the machine, it takes four minutes until it is ready to brew. But after that, it takes only seconds for the cup to begin brewing.
It helps to understand the machine before presenting the shailoh.February 7, 2013 4:44 am at 4:44 am #928070YW Moderator-18Moderator
anon, I think that is only for the professional machines. The little one we have at home fills up when you pour in the water. It only holds one cup at a time.February 7, 2013 4:58 am at 4:58 am #928071wanderingchanaParticipant
Someone please explain the appeal of this machine to me….February 7, 2013 6:34 am at 6:34 am #928072Ðash®Participant
I think that is only for the professional machines.
Seems like he is talking about the “Always Ready” feature on the higher end models.
But the secondary reservoir isn’t sealed. There is no valve on the output side.February 7, 2013 10:44 am at 10:44 am #928073lesschumrasParticipant
The appeal is that you can a cup of fresh brewed coffee without making a whole pot. There is no pot to clean and the neuritis cups come in different parts goofed types and teasFebruary 7, 2013 10:52 am at 10:52 am #928074lesschumrasParticipant
It should have said the keurig cups come in different coffee and tea flavors.February 7, 2013 11:35 am at 11:35 am #928075BUBBLEParticipant
Let me tell, wanderingchana about the”mallas” of this machine. In the workforce it brews your own cup everytime fresh and delicious. The Green Mountain, Nantucket Blend has won acclaim equal to the best of the best.. Once you try it you are hooked better said, “addicted”
Try it you will enjoy it. Shabbos and Yomtov become a problem. I have one at work for 9 years and can’t wait to get one at home..February 7, 2013 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #928076
If you arent noheg to tovel plastic what parts need tvila besides the 2 pins?February 7, 2013 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #928077oomisParticipant
The appeal is that you can a cup of fresh brewed coffee without making a whole pot. There is no pot to clean and the neuritis cups come in different parts goofed types and teas “
You can do the same thing with a CHEAP one cup Melitta filter. A mere fraction of the cost, and just as fresh. You pour boiling water through the filter directly into your coffee mug. It is the same principle as the Keurig, uses no electricity or energy other than heating the water (and we keep water in a pump pot heated all the time so technically, yeah, I do use electricity, but we need the hot water for other reasons unrelated to the coffee). A keurig is very expensive, and except for the specialty coffee, is basically the same as any other coffee maker. So buy the K cups and pour your water through them into a Melitta, if you MUST have Mountain watever coffee.February 8, 2013 12:57 am at 12:57 am #928079February 8, 2013 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #928080☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I’m told that the water travels through the metal heating element.
the water does not need to go inside for tevila to work.February 8, 2013 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #928081
Is the heating element a kli? Or is it just a rod that the water passes around? Genuinely asking.February 8, 2013 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #928082☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The whole machine is a kli, and since an ikar componant is metal, the whole kli needs tevila. It will survive the tevila if left for a week or so to completely dry out before it’s plugged in.
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