Tagged: Shabbos kodesh
March 20, 2022 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #2070862Shalom-al-IsraelParticipant
If the Askonim really wanted to prevent having overnight the Mes, they could have persuaded police to conduct the Levaya of HAGRA”CH Z.TZ.L. immediately on Erev Shabbos.
It needs to be stated, that it was for fear of overlapping into the Zman (by individuals)… this was the real reason it was postponed for Sunday.March 21, 2022 11:06 am at 11:06 am #2071013
Clearly, it would have been total chaos, had they attempted to hold the levayah erev shabbos. The Sunday AM timing clearly prevented mass chillul shabbos by attendees as well as providing minimal time for planning the necessary security to prevent sakanas nefesh from a sudden mass crowding event. If you watched the levayah, you could see how tight and narrow the streets were around the Rav’s Z’L home which could have been Meron 2.0 without some pre-planning. Even with those security precautions it still seemed semi-chaotic but perhaps thats inevitable in these situations.March 21, 2022 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #2071252Shalom-al-IsraelParticipant
I really believe that this should be publicized as a Kiddush Hashem – which the bigger the publicity the greater the honor for Shomayim.March 21, 2022 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #2071259
Shalom: I don’t think anyone was fixated on the scheduling of the levayah compared to the immense loss for klal yisroel.March 21, 2022 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #2071278KuvultParticipant
That was not the “Real” reason it was postponed. It was at best an ancillary reason. When a Gadol is Niftar Kavod Hatorah over rides (within reason) rushing the burial. I don’t know why people need to search for a twisted reason why something was a Kiddush Hashem. That hundreds of thousands of people went to the Levaya to show Kavod Hatorah WAS the Kiddush Hashem.March 22, 2022 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #2071509ForshayerParticipant
There is a Zohar from Parshas Emor that specifically states the reasons as to why one is supposed to be buried within 24 hours. One can read this Zohar in any Chok, Day one of Parshas Emor. I am not sure, but nowhere does it say that you should wait so that more people should be able to attend the Levaya. If it could be done before the Zman, it should be done right away.March 22, 2022 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #2071682KuvultParticipant
As my Ruv always says, “I’m not telling you what they should of done I’m telling you what happened.” The reality is the Levayas of Gedolim have always been planned with maximum attendance over riding an rushing or Zohar.March 23, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2071951
I appreciate the inyan of the 24 hour timeline from the Zohar (on P’ Emor) but had there is no way they could have attempted to hold a levayah on erev shabbos last week without risking massive sakanas nefesh from massive crowds rushing to attend and then get home for shabbos within the tight confines of BB. Perhaps if it had been done in secret, but how do you maintain “secrecy” about the petirah of the gadol hador??March 23, 2022 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #2071992Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
too many people learning Zohar instead of kitzur shuchan oruch. Oilam hafuch.March 24, 2022 11:40 am at 11:40 am #2072132ForshayerParticipant
@Always, and you know this about me, how? Are you aware that the Chok also has a daily piece on Halacha? Ahh, its not Kitzur, okay. Just as an FYI, when it comes to questions about burying within 24 hours, its based on a Posuk in the Torah. Not burying within 24 hours is what most would consider Oilam Hafuch.March 25, 2022 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2072301Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Forsh, I was flippant a little, what I meant is one starts with analyzing halachic concepts and see if they are applicable before going further. Halachik reasons for dealy is informing relatives, publicizing the event. One is praiseworthy speeding up a burial, unless it is for a parent when it is not proper. considering that T’Ch is a teacher for all and in this case, clearly participation of those who want to come requires preparation, there is reglaim l’davar – and this is what I would start discussing if I were bothered with the issue like you are.
An interesting note: Moses Mendelshon corresponded with R Yaakov Emden regarding possibly abolishing speedy burials. A local Duke ordered everyone to keep bodies for several days after there were cases of live people taken to graves. Kahal asked MM to intervene and he helped to stop the decree, but later discussed with YE. YE’s position seemingly was that Chevra Kadisha pays attention and would not bury live people, like goyim might.
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