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A 12 year old relegious boy with a Yarmulka has made it on to Americas Got Talent. Is this a Kiddush Hashem or a Chillul Hashem?
From the information provided in the OP, there is certainly no Kiddush Hashem.
Neither.
Depending on how he acts in the future, he has the power to make a kiddush Hashem, chillul Hashem, or neither. Just like the rest of us.
Kiddush HaShem. The world sees his talent and his zrisus for wearing a kippa and thereby showinh Yiras Shemayim.
Depends who you ask
Simple answer. If he behaves like a mensch during the competition its a kiddush hashem.
Presumably it depends on how he comports himself. It’s probably possible to get on the show without hearing or seeing anything inappropriate, though I am not familiar enough with it to say that for sure. If it’s not possible then it’s probably not a good thing.
Too soon to tell. My son wanted to go on the show and sing a medley of Yossele Rosenblatt pieces. That’s not exactly what this kid was singing. But if he is a mensch and comports himself as a fine young man, it could turn out to be a K”H, I suppose.
The boy may make a kiddush Hashem against all odds, but his parents had no business allowing it in the first place. It’s like the basketball players in Texas a little while ago: allowing kids into a treif environment and then praising them for the kiddush Hashem that they’re doing there…
Neither. Since he is 12 years old he isn’t a bar-mitzva and by definition is patur from mizvos, although his parents have a chiyuv to be mechanech him in mitzvos.
musser zoger -“Neither. Since he is 12 years old he isn’t a bar-mitzva and by definition is patur from mizvos, although his parents have a chiyuv to be mechanech him in mitzvos.”
Wrong on both counts. Some people say the Chiyuv of Chinuch is a D’rabbonon on the Kid themselves. And either way he could still get the Mitzva of Kiddush Hashem because of GODOL Me Shemetzuva V’oiseh Mehme SheAino Metzuva V’oiseh.
Torah Umada: I watched you on America’s Got Talent. As matter of fact, I called my sister to tell her to tune in. You have a wonderful voice and you presented yourself so beautifully. A real Kiddush HaShem. My sister and I were “shepping nachas” (although we are not related, that is, you are not related to my sister and me.)
Keep up the great work and may you only continue from strength to strength. I will be watching for you when you go to Vegas!!!!
In every case, there are times where someone can make something of themselves, or not. Personally, I don’t understand how a parent would allow their kid to be exposed to such peer pressure to begin with. On stage of hundreds, and views of thousands- if not more.
Besides, shouldn’t the kid be in yeshiva studying?
In making a chillul Hashem, if you go to You Tube and look at some of the past seasons- there are all kinds of crazy walks of life on this show. If one who is frum; shomer shabbos etc. and can do a good a job singing and make it to Vegas, why not!
L’Ma’aseh- the show is about ratings, the judges are there to promote the ratings, what they say increases their ratings of the show. Not always does it depend on who is singing, but the reaction to the judges. And sometimes, the reaction to the performers. That being said, if indeed, he reacts b’kavodi’k to the judges and accepts what they have to say without being disrespectful, and thanking the crowd for the opportunity, then by all means, it can be a very big kiddush Hashem. Also,
then of course, you have the she’ilos of shabbos and if the recordings have to be on shabbos or not, then kol eisha for the other contestants, etc. Going to a theater… and all those other takanos. But, for that – you have to ask your local orthodox rabbi.
Health: The opinion of the Rishon(im) who say that Chinuch is on the kid is very minority and is very Dachuk (to say the least) from many Gemaros. Just because people can make good Lomdus out of it does not make it a Shittah that has Halachic relevance at all.
There is a very slim chance that there will be a kid rush. As contestants progress they are provided with more assistance which in the case of singers would be accompaniment. Which includes non tznius women singers. If there will such accompaniment, that would be public chilul Hashem. A Kidush Hashem would be if he publicly refused to sing with or shake a women’s hand a say it’s because it’s ossur. In which case I am sure that those who think his appearance alone is a Kidush Hashem will be horrified and claim that the public refusal is chilul Hashem.
Right now this is leaning towards chilul Hashem, like the chilul Hashem of when Mendy and Heidi appearing on tv. ( the other much bigger chilul Hashem in that case was the reaction by some who call them Jewish publicly and loudly violating the Halacha of ” heve Dan Es kol bosom lkaf zechus” and being ever more insistent when it was shown that Heidi was telling the truth. That was the much, much greater chilul Hashem.) I hope nothing of the sort arises such as if he hugs a woman publicly other than his mother and you will have people saying that it’s appropriate.
Hi TU.
If he has talent and is demonstrating it and entertaining, hatzlacha to him. As long as he upholds high standards of conduct, it is a kiddush Hashem, in my opinion.
Suppose I said a religious Jew took a job of second in command of the largest empire in the world? Would people say it was bad for the Jews?
Suppose I told you a prominent religious Jewish person took a job as the chief medical doctor of a ruler in the non-Jewish world?
Suppose I said another great religous Jew conferred with secular, non-Jewish scholars on the linguistics of the French language AND incorporated that language into his limudei kodesh works.
And on and on…. Of course there is the “recommended” path, but sometimes, if one is careful, and they walk the path less walked, we should not be so quick to run out with pitchforks and torches.
Neither. Since he is 12 years old he isn’t a bar-mitzva and by definition is patur from mizvos, although his parents have a chiyuv to be mechanech him in mitzvos.
You’re addressing whether or not he gets the blame or credit. The issue being discussed, however, is whether there is a kiddush Hashem, or chalilah the opposite, being created.
Sam2 -“Health: The opinion of the Rishon(im) who say that Chinuch is on the kid is very minority and is very Dachuk (to say the least) from many Gemaros. Just because people can make good Lomdus out of it does not make it a Shittah that has Halachic relevance at all.”
Maybe you should read the post carefully before you comment.
Here it is – “Some people say the Chiyuv of Chinuch is a D’rabbonon on the Kid themselves.”
Acc. to this Shitta this obviously is the Halacha. Why are you making it sound that the Shitta doesn’t hold it Halacha L’masseh?
as has been stated before
talent doesnt make kiddush hashems
its how people act
I think the question we have to answer is, is it all right to make it appear that orthodox jews can be like “regular folk” in other words is it a kiddush hashem to make non jews or unafilliated jews say wow that kid is cool it just so happens he wears a yarmulke.
Health: You missed my point. My point was that just because the Shittah exists does not mean that it’s relevant or that it necessitates being brought up.
I think the question we have to answer is, is it all right to make it appear that orthodox jews can be like “regular folk” in other words is it a kiddush hashem to make non jews or unafilliated jews say wow that kid is cool it just so happens he wears a yarmulke.
That may make some people feel good, but why is it a kiddush Hashem?
I dont know that it is DY i was just posing what i felt is the essential question of this thread.
Sam2 -“Health: You missed my point. My point was that just because the Shittah exists does not mean that it’s relevant or that it necessitates being brought up.”
You have No point. I brought it up because there is such a Shitta. Since there is -that’s the revelancy.
Health: No, look at your own original post. Musser Zoger very correctly made the point that the kid is not Chayav in Mitzvos. You said that’s not true because some hold that a kid is Chayav in Chinuch. That’s not you bringing it up, that’s you practically saying that it’s a Shittah that some Pasken by. My point is that that Shittah might exist, but it’s a minority Shittah in the Rishonim and no one at all Paskens by it.
Sam -“That’s not you bringing it up, that’s you practically saying that it’s a Shittah that some Pasken by.”
If you wouldn’t have put words into my statement there would be no problem. The guy made a blanket statement and I corrected him.
I never mentioned the word Pasken. You put that word into my statement.
I dont know that it is DY i was just posing what i felt is the essential question of this thread.
I think we can dismiss that possibility, and maybe discuss whether a Yid appearing on a TV show which presumably has content which is not to the Torah’s standard (I’ve never seen it, but it’s probably the case) is definitely the opposite of a kiddush Hashem.
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