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Why do the same people that raised this generation have so many complaints about how this generation was raised?!
Parents didn’t raise the current generation; technology did
Bored teen,
When the parents were kids they knew who the boss was due to being potched and the mother having respect for the father
Nowadays due to society parents aren’t allowed to potch and feminists made it that women don’t have to respect their husbands
I’m not saying that potching was good but it was a “tool” that a father can use if the kid got out of line once or twice
Just my humble opinion
“Feminists made it that women don’t have to respect their husbands…”
So true. First they asked to be allowed to leave the kitchen for a few hours a day. Then they wanted to go outside the house on one or two days other than shabbos. That was followed by their getting an education and pursuing a career. Its been downhill ever since.
Respect is EARNED, not a default position obtained by virtue of gender.
edited“So true. First they asked to be allowed to leave the kitchen for a few hours a day. Then they wanted to go outside the house on one or two days other than shabbos.“
I’m speaking about the second wave of feminism in the sixties obviously
Do you really believe women couldn’t do those things beforehand?
You think women didn’t go shopping?
You think women didn’t have jobs?coffee seem to imply that fathers did not have respect for the mothers (or at least did not have to). I would appreciate if coffee could tell us (maybe he already did) what yeshiva he went to – want to make sure my grandkids don’t end up in the place where they teach this.
you are so transparant.
Dorah,
Spoken like a feminist, which is obvious from your selected nom de plume.
“Respect is EARNED, not a default position”.
Presumably a husband earned some modicum of respect when his wife agreed to married him. Just as a wife is owed respect by din of being a spouse, before having to EARN additional respect.
Feminism, as evidenced by your ludicrous comment above, has done away with assuming that a husband is entitled to basic respect just by dint of being a person, and a person who is in a spousal relationship.
slight edit
Here’s the saddest result of the feminist, modern movement. It isn’t about demanding that women should get respect (as if they didn’t have any), it has reached a pathetic level that if you imply a woman respects her husband you are being blasphemous.
The same reason their parents complained about them, and theirs about them etc
The idea that “Today’s kids…” is not new
אַל־תֹּאמַר֙ מֶ֣ה הָיָ֔ה שֶׁ֤הַיָּמִים֙ הָרִ֣אשֹׁנִ֔ים הָי֥וּ טוֹבִ֖ים מֵאֵ֑לֶּה כִּ֛י לֹ֥א מֵחׇכְמָ֖ה שָׁאַ֥לְתָּ עַל־זֶֽה׃
“…a husband is entitled to basic respect just by dint of being a person, and a person who is in a spousal relationship…(slight edit by Mods) ”
Not clear what was edited out or reprhased but the concept of symmetry was noticeably absent from your comment. Presumably, you would agree that BOTH parties in a “spousal relationship” enter that relationship by virtue of love and mutual respect for one another and hopefully that respect grows and is reinforced every day through their treatment of one another. Of course, every individual is entitled to basic respect until their words and actions directed towards their spouse, peers, etc. result in a loss of that respect. I obviously misread one of the earlier posts implying that men have an entitlement to respect simply by virtue of their gender abstracted entirely from their treatment of others.
“coffee seem to imply that fathers did not have respect for the mothers (or at least did not have to).“
Aaq,
Exactly the opposite, they each had respect for each other
Where in my words do you see that?
No fair that GH comment gets deleted, so can’t fully understand GH’s position (seems like there was another comment that was even after my second comment)
Dorah,
It was your comment that was lacking symmetry. You clearly negated the husband’s expectation of respect.
My post explicitly said “Just as a wife is owed respect”. And that was added because I expected you to harp on something that was not the point of the comment.
The corrupt radical feminist agenda you ascribe to seems too inform to many of your screeds.
This is one of the many reason why feminism if a TERRIBLE and anti-jewish thing.
“corrupt radical feminist agenda”
You neglected to note some of my less attractive qualities such as occasionally misreading a post, which obviously was the case here. Perhaps we are saying something not all that different. A marriage, unless coerced, typically begins with mutual love and respect Beyond that, building a bayis ne’man b’yisroel requires that BOTH parties must work to retain and enhance the mutual respect which is the foundation of enduring shalom bayis. My narrow point,which I’m sure many will disagree with, is that it should not be the type of “respect” derived from a submissive, misogynistic or subordinate relationship.GH,
100% correct and even the Rambam (who lived in an Arab country mind you) said that he should treat her like a queen and she should treat him like a king
interesting thought, maybe Rambam davka writes at length about mutual respect because the surrounding culture is different?
coffee, looks like I misunderstood you, you seem to be streesing that now mothers don’t respect fathers due to feminism, while fathers still follow their obligations respecting their wives. I mean, I would probably show disrespect, but I am just never given that choice!
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