June 6, 2019 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1739236
Maybe someone’s kippah was just chosen because it was comfortable, not to make some sort of group affiliation.
Someone might wear a leather kippah because it keeps one’s head warmer than a thin polyester one.
Maybe someone wears a velvet kippah because it sits on one’s head more easily than other options.
Why do people affiliate a kippah type with a particular group?June 6, 2019 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1739701
Comfort is a valid and legitimate reason.June 6, 2019 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1739727
Good point, Lightbright. I think people do choose kippas for those reasons, to some extent. For example, the stereotype is that charedi Jews always wear velvet (sometimes polyester instead), but a survey in Israel found that a sizable percentage (I don’t remember how much, perhaps 20%) of self-identified charedim wore knitted kippas (I assume black, but you never know…)June 6, 2019 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1739729
Are you suggesting that the fact that 99% of folks in Teaneck wear a much different yarmulka than folks in Kiryas Yoel is merely highly coincidental? Is it warmer in NY than in NJ?June 7, 2019 12:53 am at 12:53 am #1739813
It’s not coincidental. It’s because of Khazar Meshugas.June 7, 2019 12:53 am at 12:53 am #1739814
No, mostly people wear kippas because that’s the same kind of kippa everyone in the group they identify with wears. A partial exception is MO–some wear srugi, some leather, some velvet, etc.June 7, 2019 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1739965
Why does a Kipa have to be an identifier? Why does one need to identify at all?June 7, 2019 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1739968
“It’s not coincidental. It’s because of Khazar Meshugas.”
The Sephardic descendents of the Khazars don’t uniformly wear the same kippa.June 11, 2019 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1740255
Only Ashkenazim were affected by the Khazar scourge. And yes Sephardim don’t uniformly wear same kipa because to do so is a neurosis that emanates from Central and Eastern Europe.June 11, 2019 8:36 am at 8:36 am #1740268
1. The Khazars melted into the Sephardic population. They also lived in a geographically Sephardic region of the world. Today’s Sephardim are a mix of the original Sephardim, the Khazars and the Eidah Hamizrach.
2. On Isru Chag you call the Khazars a “scourge”. Yet on Erev Yom Tov you called them kosher geirim. How did you end up changing your mind over the last three days?June 11, 2019 9:36 am at 9:36 am #1740329
I used the words “kosher Gerim”?June 11, 2019 10:40 am at 10:40 am #1740386
Following your krumme logic that Rashi, as an Ashkenazi, must’ve come from the Khazars, you retorted (direct quote of you:) “I wouldn’t respect Rashi less if he were a descendant of converts.” Thus implying that the Khazar converts were kosher geirim, not your new tune of today that they (and implicitly Rashi and the Baalei Tosfos too) are a “scourge”.
P.S. The Rabad, Rav Avraham ibn Daud (a Sephardic godol), mentions encountering rabbinical students descended from Khazars in Toledo, Spain in the 1160s. Here’s a Sephardic source that clearly the Khazars merged into the Sephardic world. Hence you have no and can produce no evidence that they melted into the Ashkenazic world; only strong evidence that the Khazars melted into the Sephardic world.June 11, 2019 10:41 am at 10:41 am #1740391
If one was to start their own minhag and wear a Borseliono without a brim, would that be viewed as a NEW kipah? At some point, doesn’t a kipah made with feaux fur look like a shtreimlach that shrunk from the rain or is being worn by an ehrliche yid/animal rights machmir obsessed with tikun olam? It all depends on your perspective and that of the individual who may be trying to either identify with/distinguish himself from the local tzibur.June 11, 2019 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #1740448
“Here’s a Sephardic source that clearly the Khazars merged into the Sephardic world.”
Not really a source except for a few.
Anyways, I was reading about Jewish genetic geneolgy on Wikipedia this morning, before looking at this thread.
It said that there are basically no genetic links from Jews to the Khazars.
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