October 12, 2009 3:49 am at 3:49 am #590557
I was always under the impression that I get buried in my kittel and tallis. I spoke to a friend who works for the local chevra Kadisha, and he informed me that you only get buried in your kittel if it’s made of linen. if it’s a polyester-cotton kittel, it’s worthless, and your estate has to buy tachrichin. You either wear tachrichin or a kittel, and your tallis goes on top. Now I’ll need to get a new kittel, as my chasunah kittel was a polycotton blend.October 12, 2009 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1100630
What is the scam?October 12, 2009 7:31 am at 7:31 am #1100631onlyemesMember
In Eretz Yisrael, all are buried in tachrichin and nothing more. No coffin either, of course, just the body in the tachrichin. There is no kittel for anyone. The tallis is on the mes for the hespedim (for women there is a large cover similar to a paroches) and is removed as the body is lowered into the grave. If I’m not mistaken, there is a tshuva from Reb Moshe zt’l written to a person who was informed about this minhag and was fearful of not being buried in his tallis when in the future his time comes and he is sent to Eretz Yisrael. Reb Moshe allayed his fears and told him that in Eretz Yisrael all are treated the same and when he goes upstairs he will not suffer from not being buried in his tallis.October 12, 2009 10:07 am at 10:07 am #1100632
Soon your going to tell us there a kapaida of the chavra kadisha to only bury someone in the new “tallis hamifuar”?October 12, 2009 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #1100633sammygolMember
Don’t run to get a new one yet, stick around for a while.October 12, 2009 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #1100634
Is there a reason why tachrichim/kittel must be linen?
Whats next? Your tallis is only good if it is the new stain resistant, slip resistant tallis hamufuar?October 12, 2009 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1100635squeakParticipant
The scam is that he thought he could buy a $20 kittel (i.e. an elongated white shirt sans pocket) and take away a day’s pay from the local tachrichim macher. Tough luck pal – you were busted. Cough up the dough now while you still can!October 12, 2009 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1100636
Squeak, the Mrs. picked out the kittel, along with the Tallis. The advantage of my current kittel is that it’s machine washable, taking money away from my dry cleaners.
I never studied the inyan, but I was always under the impression that tachrichin was a way of cutting costs. Why not outsource it to China and lower funeral costs for everyone? I doubt there’s an inyan of “lishma” by tachrichin.
Note to the Mrs.’s- get your husband a brand-new linen kittel for his birthday/anniversary! What better way to improve shalom bayis than a brand new linen kittel he can take with him?October 12, 2009 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1100637truthsharerMember
You can buy a linen kittel, it costs more. So buy one and have one less thing to worry about.October 13, 2009 1:22 am at 1:22 am #1100638
jphone, I find your idea interesting. It would make a great advertising for the Tallis hamefuar. You see a photo of a guy wrapped in tachrichin and his tallis, and all the chevra kadisha guys around him looking in disdain. The slogan: <bold> “Don’t be caught dead in an inferior tallis!” </bold>October 13, 2009 1:27 am at 1:27 am #1100639
Not to mix threads, but is a woman who wears a tallis buried in it?October 13, 2009 1:30 am at 1:30 am #1100640HIEParticipant
wow, interesting conversation!!October 13, 2009 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1100641
Jothar: Don’t you think sammygol offered the better idea?October 13, 2009 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1100642
Joseph, Sammygol offered the better idea, but unfortunately “mi yichye mi yamus” is not in my hands. Granted, teshuva tefila tzedakah maavirin es roah hagezeirah, but there are many factors determining one’s sof. I thank Hashem every morning for being granted an additional day, but who’s to say if it’s my last day or not? Maybe a misguided post caused by a ruach shtus put me begeder machati es harabbim and worthy of misa bidei shomayim. I don’t know. So it’s good to be prepared,by having the right kind of kittel.
Bold, strong, same difference. I should’ve stuck with straight-up html.October 13, 2009 3:41 am at 3:41 am #1100643mamashtakahMember
“Is there a reason why tachrichim/kittel must be linen?”
Because linen falls apart fairly quickly.October 13, 2009 5:35 am at 5:35 am #1100644
So does polyester.October 13, 2009 5:56 am at 5:56 am #1100645
OK. Admittedy, Polyester will take about 50 years to “fall apart”. On the other hand, many natural fibers decompose just as quickly (if not faster) than Linen. Cotton and Wool for example. With that said, is there an inyan for tachrichim to “fall apart”. “El Afar Tashuvu” is said about Adam, not the clothes he is buried in.October 13, 2009 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1100646
Googling “tachrichim”, you can get a a complete linen set for $20 instead of the handmade “premium” linen tachrichim.October 13, 2009 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #1100647cantoresqMember
As I recall it, the tradition was to hire poor widows to make tachrichim, thereby giving them parnasa in their old age. They are mdae from white linen since that was once a very inexepnsive fabric, and chazal wanted to keep the cost of funerals down. It seems people once treated funerals the way we treat bar mitzvahs today, as an excuse to display wealth. In response, Chazal institution cost controls. That’s why outside of Israel, a coffin is a plain unfinished wooden affair with little if any decoration. There used to be a practice of the table at which a sage learned to make his coffin (the Chatham Sofer’s aron was made from his desk). I don’t know if that is still done anywhere, but I doubt it. I’m rather dismayed that I won’t be buried in the kittel I wore at my wedding. Having something my wife gave me nearby would let me rest more peacefully. I plan on issuing a tzavaah that either my kittel be used as part of the shrouds, or that it at least be placed on top of the tachrichin or at the very least be placed in the aron.October 13, 2009 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #1100648
Cantoresq, have your wife buy you a linen kittel and a tallis.September 24, 2015 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #1100649popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Not fair. I spent a lot of money on a 100% cotton one, and now you tell me it’s worthless?September 24, 2015 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #1100650
Is there an inyan to be buried in the same kittel one wore during his lifetime?September 24, 2015 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1100651popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I guess it’s a shaatnez shaila if you wear it over your suit, since no way you can get your jacket off without taking off your kittel. But I usually don’t wear my jacket under my kittel. But tallis kotton. I doubt tallis gadol is a problem.
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