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April 19, 2020 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1849620
I have avoided being in public as much as possible since the pandemic hit, BUT there are times I must shop or attend to legal matters that can not be handled on line, by email, Zoom, etc. I wear KN95 masks whenever I leave the CTL compound as well as disposable gloves,
I had to appear in court today on a custody matter because there was domestic violence between the parents. I represent the child, not either parent.
FEDEX delivered a case of 120 masks shipped a week ago from a close friend in Beijing. Total cost was $95 including shipping. I had also ordered a large supply of PPE as a donation for our local EMS as they are in short supply and that is arriving tomorrow.
When I came home from court, I was horrified to open my email and see one from YWN that was hawking a case of 600 masks delivered in the tri-state area for more than $2,300. Talk about price gouging in a time of need.
I resent YWN selling my email address or renting its list for commercial purposes. It’s enough we see all kinds of ads on the pagesApril 20, 2020 1:37 am at 1:37 am #1850805☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
You can unsubscribe from the email ads.April 20, 2020 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1850826
Mustv’e been a real close friend in Beijing. 80 cents a piece is a steal. Complaining about price gouging at $3.80 when local pharmacies are charging 10-15 dollars sounds remarkably out of touch. Assuming of course you are talking about surgical masks. If they are standard masks you raise a good point. Please clarify.April 20, 2020 8:40 am at 8:40 am #1850881
Yes, a really good friend, (who asked us if there was anything they could do to help) but he purchased them in the regular marketplace at the posted price and shipped FEDEX.
I have since rec’d 4 more cartons of goods which Mrs. CTL and I are donating to our local ambulance service, volunteer fire company and police, as well as one of my tenants who is a dialysis nurse in the local hospital. They are surgical quality. If I could source this then certainly government could do so. We have purchased gowns, masks, gloves and shoe covers for our local hospital and have shipments sitting at the express warehouses in Shanghai and Guanzhou waiting for space on planes to ship.
The problem is not availability of goods, but there are almost no flights on which to ship goods.
The Chinese government has stabilized prices during the pandemic, while Trump has FEMA and the states bidding against each other driving up prices and enriching people while others die.April 20, 2020 9:36 am at 9:36 am #1850898
Beware of Chinese junk. Most of the stuff they’ve “donated” to other countries has been defective.April 20, 2020 10:03 am at 10:03 am #1850919DovidBTParticipant
Is China our ally or our enemy? I can’t figure that out.April 20, 2020 10:13 am at 10:13 am #1850928April 20, 2020 10:15 am at 10:15 am #1850927
Beware of junk period.
These goods meet standards and are not donations, but purchased in the open marketplace.
I have a long history with China (including adopting a daughter there in the 1990s) and good personal and business relationships.April 20, 2020 11:20 am at 11:20 am #1850943
On a slightly side note, the N95 masks are largely ineffective on anyone with facial hair. Anything from even a morning stubble to a regular beard will allow air particles to bypass the N95 mask at the chin, potentially allowing germs to enter the mouth/nose.April 20, 2020 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1850937midwesternerParticipant
Inflated prices is a natural market force which helps ensure that goods get distributed fairly. If masks would be available at 80 cents apiece to the general public, the first few customers would buy them by the hundreds and thousands, and supply would disappear. Keeping prices higher helps prevent individual hoarding by making it cost prohibitive, thereby leading to wider distribution. It also encourages manufacturers and distributors to be more motivated to take extra risks in bringing more to the market as the payoff makes it more worthwhile. Economics 101; supply and demand.April 20, 2020 12:31 pm at 12:31 pm #1850961
I just got a case of KN95 masks made in Europe and certified NIOSH for $2.50 apiece, not some china knockoffApril 20, 2020 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1850982
CS: Model KN95 is China-specific. It is China’s equivalent to the N95.April 20, 2020 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1850977anonymous JewParticipant
Illinois just wasted millions on defective Chinese goods. CTL, the problem you face is that the masks don’t prevent Trump Derangement syndrome. I find it amazing how in your world China goes uncriticized while you can’t pass you any opportunity to slam Trump. Must be something in your compound wallsApril 20, 2020 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1850976
@commonsaychel though it may be of similar quality the kn95 is a chinese knockoff of the n95.
@ctlawyer China is able to price control because they don’t operate in a free market system. While doable, it would be far more complicated in US. Additionally, if there would be enough supplies in US people wouldn’t be willing to pay through the roof for them. There may be ample supplies in china but there is a shortage here. Price stabilization won’t solve that. And the masks have been seemingly fine but there have been reports of other chinese products being defective, tests, drugs, vichulu.April 20, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1851022
I have plenty of criticism for China as well as Trump.
Trump who declared the virus was a hoax….ask the families of 41,000 dead Americans iof this is a hoax
Trump who is urging protest of stay at home and social distancing orders in the various states
China who lied about how many of its residents were struck down by the virusApril 20, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1851017
sorry I rechecked its N95April 20, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1851018
Its n95 made in europeApril 20, 2020 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #1851030🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
It blows my mind that any intelligent life form can hand even a penny to china after what they just did to us. And to give them money so that they can profit from this virus is something i didn’t think possible. I have no faith in the business sectorApril 20, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1851029
Knockoff implies an illegal copy without payment of royalties or license.
The KN95 masks are not patent violations but masks made to a standard.
this series of masks is made by manufacturers worldwide. It is not like a fake designer bag
Are you old enough to remember when President Nixon instituted price controls in the US? I am. In times of emergency such as this the President could have put price controls in place. All PPEs being imported by business could have been impounded and sold by the government at a set price to all hospitals, first responders, etc.
The shipment of KN95 Masks and surgical gloves that arrived today is the exact same brand and packaging that our local ambulance corps has purchased from their US supplier for the last 3 years. I brought it in at 1/5 the current price and I don’t get pallet rates for cargo. The biggest difference is I am not looking to profit from this, but am donating PPE supplies to our local first responders and hospital who have saved Mrs. CTL’s liofe in the past.April 20, 2020 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1851033
CTL: It doesn’t shtim that your local ambulance corps used the KN95 for the last three years. The FDA never approved the KN95 for use in the US until April 5th of this year, as a direct result of the pandemic and shortage of FDA certified N95s. Previously they were not approved for medical use in the US.April 20, 2020 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1851054
The ambulance corps used these goods. They are a volunteer group and they are not subject to the medical standards you cite. Out Hospitals, nursing homes and Town paid EMT squad are subject to those standards.
Please realize that requirements are different in different jurisdictionsApril 20, 2020 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1851124
@ctlawyer you are correct while it is not a knockoff, I was responding to his comment that they were european, not chinese. As far as price control, i didn’t say it was illegal or unprecedented, just complicated and unproductive. If the government would seize all masks imported by the private sector, the private sector would stop importing masks. You, I assume went the costs and effort to arrange shipments because you wanted to help your local community, but I doubt most people would do that for their masks to end up in Indiana. In a capitalist system, it is the private sector that will have to do alot of the heavy lifting and your idea will strongly discourage it.April 20, 2020 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1851187
Trump who declared the virus was a hoax
That is an outright lie. Shame on you.April 20, 2020 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1851188
Are you old enough to remember when President Nixon instituted price controls in the US?
Yes, and it was terrible. One of the worst things he ever did. It was wrong then and it would be wrong now.
Impounding them would also be illegal unless the owner was paid their current fair market value, which by definition is what they would fetch now, when and where they were taken. Which would defeat the purpose of doing so.
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