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  • #597778
    Be Happy
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    I love going to Eretz Yisroel. I feel priveleged every time I go to the Kosel.

    There is something that bothers me.

    Why do mothers bring there family and try to give them lunch/supper at the kosel? Inevitably one child cries while mother is davening. Mother ignores…

    Changing pampers at the kosel?

    Shmoozing?

    talking on the phone?

    we would never do these things in our own shul Why at the kosel??

    I am trying to find good reason for people to do the above. I can’t find any; maybe we need a reminder to keep the Kosel holy?

    #1113817
    haifagirl
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    Why do mothers bring there family and try to give them lunch/supper at the kosel? Inevitably one child cries while mother is davening. Mother ignores…

    Changing pampers at the kosel?

    Shmoozing?

    talking on the phone?

    we would never do these things in our own shul Why at the kosel??

    And then people wonder why I never go there.

    #1113818
    aries2756
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    Be Happy, You are so right. So many women and girls wait and wait for an opportunity to get closer and closer and women who are upfront (and of course others) do not show the proper respect. While we try to daven with Kavana and of course not turn our backs when we walk away, others seem to take it so for granted as if it is just a park or play ground to visit. Women exchanging recipes, or answering their cell phones or having everyday conversations. It is appalling. I myself have stopped my own davening to remind some of these visitors where they were.

    #1113819
    popa_bar_abba
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    I’m willing to give a little more space to mothers at the kosel than at shul on a regular shabbos. They need to go.

    Besides, I think it is important for the kids to come also. Even if they won’t daven much. (And didn’t I once advocate for letting your kids run around in shul? http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/why-im-going-to-let-my-kids-run-around-in-shul)

    #1113820

    It is no better on the men’s side. All kinds of phoney meshulochim, segula sellers, sharp characters organizing minyonim for money. I go only after chatzois when it is quiet.

    #1113821
    Imaofthree
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    My daughter once showed me the best place to daven at the kosel. If you go through the kotel tunnels they have a shul in there with a separate area for men and separate are for women. It is clean, cool, and quiet. Just tell the people who run the kotel tunnel tours that you are just going to daven and they will let you though for free.

    #1113822
    ilovetheholyland
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    many people view the kosel as a tourist attraction forgetting what wall really represents. (i hate to say this, but many times the sem girls are no better. i’ve seen girls go to the kosel, talking on the phone, calling their families to go check them out on the kotel cam and then they wave madly…)

    #1113823
    147
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    I feel priveleged every time I go to the Kosel.</e,> Hence it is our wonderful privilege to be celebrating this wonderful day of Yom Yerusholayim, for the 48th time.

    My daughter once showed me the best place to daven at the kosel. Imaofthreee:- Your daughter is an exceedingly smart woman, and so correct in her assertion.

    I hereby wish all Yehudim without any exceptions:- A sincere Yom Yerusholayim Sameach. We are all Mechuoyovim to appreciate the incredible Nissim veNiflo’aus that haShem in His infinite Wisdom & mecy, bestowed upon us, this very day, 48 years ago.

    #1113824
    BarryLS1
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    600 Kilo Bear: It’s been much better these past months. They seem to have gotten rid of the shnorors that attack you. There are very few now.

    #1113825
    morahmom
    Participant

    Thank you, 147, for injecting a note of optimism here!

    Yes, it’s annoying when people don’t respect kedushas bais hak’nesses even at the holiest of botei k’neisios.

    But it’s a reminder that we’re still in golus, even at the kosel, even in Yerushalayim.

    #1113826
    147
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    I am currently on my solidarity trip to Israel, and prayed Shacharis & Mussoph @Kossel this morning, and have strong advice for each & every reader in the coffee room:- Emulate me and come out to Israel immediately, and let’s all demonstrate our unequivocal & staunchest support for our beloved Eretz Yisroel.

    #1113827
    Shopping613 🌠
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    They have a few places in the kosel tunnels, including the spot closest to the kodesh hakedoshim. Near the kotel they have a place where there are actual stones f the beis hamikdash that were thrown over the outer wall-you can daven there. Also, there is a mini kosel in the old city.

    I personally would only do those things on the kosel plaza. That is okay. But past the fence my phone is on silent and I rarely see people doing these things.

    #1113828
    Mammele
    Participant

    Barry: just noticed your reply to 600 kilo bear. Sadly he is no longer alive, nor was he when you responded to him. Kind of creepy.

    Hopefully no peddling in Gan Eden… May he rest in peace.

    #1113829
    Mammele
    Participant

    BDE: Sudden Petira Of Itzhak Schier, 47, Z"L – Frequent Commenter On YWN

    The above user name 600 kilo bear (without the a) is not in the linked OP somehow, but I believe it’s the same

    #1113830

    in todays generation the kosel is more of a landmark of history for touring which includes stopping to daven there also. then our holiest site in yiddishkeit that must be revered & stood by with awe cause Hashem is closer there then in a shul.

    on another note, its also a outside site so it looks welcoming & comfortable to eat at a corner with your family or sit & chat together. its not only used for the two things of davening & touring the site.

    #1113831
    zahavasdad
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    Most famous Shuls are treated more as tourist sites than holy places

    I was at the Alteneushul in Prague and it is a tourist site an a non jewish man who could speak and read hebrew gave you information about it

    #1113832
    takahmamash
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    147:

    Emulate me and come out to Israel immediately, and let’s all demonstrate our unequivocal & staunchest support for our beloved Eretz Yisroel.

    Why not emulate ME and come out and make aliyah to Israel immediately, and let’s all demonstrate our unequivocal & staunchest support for our beloved Eretz Yisroel (not to mention the mitzvah of yishuv ha’aretz).

    #1113833
    BarryLS1
    Participant

    Mammele: oy, Baruch Dayan Emes. I had no idea.

    #1113834
    wannabegood7
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    the kotel became a tourist attraction as opposed to a holy prayer site so since when do people stay off their phones at the eiffel tower? they dont so sadly, its no different at the kotel!

    #1113835
    Hashemisreading
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    The Kosel became a tourist attraction because it holiness is famous worldwide and everyone wants to come get a glimpse of the holiness.

    #1113836
    B1g B0y
    Participant

    If the people who understand the kedusha of the Kosel would treat it with the respect it deserves then the people who unfortunately have no idea would follow suit.

    The problem lies within us.

    #1113837
    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    Wow. so true

    #1113838
    writersoul
    Participant

    I was there often on Shabbos and it was very weird davening at a tourist site- but if you ignored it, it was awesome.

    I was also there Yom Kippur (singing leshana haba… not at the kotel but as close as you can be to it basically without being there, which was a bit surreal), and while I was walking to davening before neilah, I saw a crowd of tourists sitting on the plaza with their cameras out, waiting to watch the Jews do their ritual. It was… interesting. I was glad I was davening indoors.

    #1113839
    flatbusher
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    I agree that the Kosel should be treated as a holy place. However, I have been there yom tov time and it seems a number of Israelis don’t come to the kosel all that often, so it’s part of an outing. The kosel administration accommodates the crowds with a big sukkah, and there are no signs anywhere about any of the things the poster is complaining about. But why resurrect a 4 year old post?

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