KOSEL VS KOTEL VS KOYTEL
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February 17, 2011 4:30 am at 4:30 am #595081
which is correct??????February 17, 2011 5:09 am at 5:09 am #743933WolfishMusingsParticipant
They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.
Walter & I — Kosel
George — Koysel
Wilma & Eeees — Kotel
The WolfFebruary 17, 2011 5:35 am at 5:35 am #743934Derech HaMelechMember
Koysel. Unless your Sephardi, then Kotel. Unless your Teimani, then Kothel.February 17, 2011 5:54 am at 5:54 am #743935wanderingchanaParticipant
Yes.February 17, 2011 6:40 am at 6:40 am #743936
They are ALL spelled with a “chaf” not a “kuf”-Mod.February 17, 2011 6:54 am at 6:54 am #743937amichaiParticipant
the one above listens in all languages. however you say it is fine.February 17, 2011 7:04 am at 7:04 am #743938
Oh really? Since when are MODs so serious? I’m about to ploop, are they just starting out?February 17, 2011 7:36 am at 7:36 am #743939hanibParticipant
depends who you’re talking to – it’s like got shabbos vs. shabbat shalomFebruary 17, 2011 7:39 am at 7:39 am #743940600 Kilo BearMember
KOYTEL is wrong – all of the others are fine.February 17, 2011 8:35 am at 8:35 am #743941HaLeiViParticipant
As far as I know, no one says Koytel. Unless, perhaps, he became a Sphardi in middle of the word.February 17, 2011 9:14 am at 9:14 am #743942mamashtakahMember
There’s an old story about a yeshivish American who gets into a cab in Yerushalayim and tells the driver “Ani roytzeh laleches l’koysel.” The driver says to him “B’ayzeh safa ata m’dabair?”February 17, 2011 11:03 am at 11:03 am #743943guy-ochoMember
amichai: thats true, the one above listens to all “languages”. Not mispronunciations of so called “languages”. Is Yeshivish a language, how about Yinglish?February 17, 2011 11:32 am at 11:32 am #743944MosheKohnMember
The most inane question I have heard in a long time…February 17, 2011 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm #743945always hereParticipant
I remember when I came back from Israel & met my (future) in-laws for the first time: they asked if I had gone to the ‘Koysil” & I didn’t know what they were talking about!
I still say ‘Kotel’; my husband says ‘Koysel’.February 17, 2011 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #743946600 Kilo BearMember
???? means “killer” You see it on cans of insecticide and disinfectant in Eretz Yisroel. That would be pronounced KOYTEL in old Ashkenazi loshon hakoidesh (if the word is authentic and not a Zionist coinage – I would think it is indeed authentic) but if you asked someone which bus goes to the koytel, you would not be understood.
I don’t think you would use the word ???? at all in daily speech.February 17, 2011 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm #743947AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
What I personally find EXTREMELY funny is (because of the difference in pronunciation of that letter) when people either…
– want to show how “Israeli” or “Zionist” they are, and therefore speak ‘SefardiT’, – will take a word that has a ‘samech’ or a ‘sin’ in it, and (because they can’t spell) pronounce THAT letter with a T sound! (i.e. turn ALL S’s to T’s)
-Those who want to show they are strictly Ashkenazi (and/or anti-Zionist) will do the opposite, and (because THEY can’t spell) pronounce words with the letter ‘tet/tes’ with an ‘S’ sound!February 17, 2011 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #743948HaLeiViParticipant
As the story goes, an American guy asks an Israeli, Ma Shaa? To which the Israeli tells him, Ein Li Mussag. He goes on, until he meets another Israeli, who asks him, Ma Shaa? Having learned a new word, he replies, Hamussag Sheli Shavur.February 17, 2011 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm #743949AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
LOLOL!!! Good one!February 17, 2011 4:16 pm at 4:16 pm #743950msseekerMember
600kilobear: It’s Aramaic. ???? ???? *????* ???February 17, 2011 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #743951bptParticipant
KoiselFebruary 18, 2011 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #743952
i meant koysel not koytel.
but many ashkanazim that say “SUH” and not “TUH” say kotel and not kosel. its a stirah minay ubayFebruary 18, 2011 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #743953
It’s kotel l’hotzi dofi m’liban shel tzedukim. You use a dialect other than the one used by the one you’re talking to. If you’re talking to a Zionist, then Koysil. If you’re talking to a litvak, kotel. If you’re talking to a chosid, keys’l. If you’re talking to a NK … well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?February 18, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #743954canineMember
“well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?”
I agree with you. Rav Elyashev shlit”a said a shomrei Torah U’mitzvos should not enter the Knesset as it is a botei minus.February 18, 2011 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #743955
Thanks for pointing out the typo.February 18, 2011 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #743956
whats an MK??February 20, 2011 12:20 am at 12:20 am #743957passion4musicMember
AinOd-Hahaha we had teachers that would say “patul” instead of “pasul” ect. to try to sound sephardic. At least they triedFebruary 23, 2011 1:45 am at 1:45 am #743958mosheroseMember
“They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.
Walter & I — Kosel
George — Koysel
Wilma & Eeees — Kotel”
Whatever happend to the minhag of following the mans customs in the house? Why do yur wife and kids use a different pronounciation?February 23, 2011 4:43 am at 4:43 am #743959
chayav: an NK mispelled. Also, a member of the knesset.
mosherose: what happened to minding your own business?February 23, 2011 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #743960
Reporting from the Holy Land
Regard to all
Been to the KOSEL, KOTEL, KOYTEL
???? for shortFebruary 23, 2011 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #743961
Just wanted to let everyone know, I had everyone here in mind. I do not know anyone’s issues, problems or trials but HaShem does. He knows who you are, where you are, and what is best for you. I put in a good word for all of you (us – we’re all in this together), whether you like it or not.
From the land that flows with milk and honey,
ZeesKiteFebruary 24, 2011 7:12 am at 7:12 am #743962
For those still instested in the ‘offering a seat to..’ issue. So I got on the bus holding my cuddly package ??”?, and EVERYONE, older people too, offered me their seat. ?? ???? ?????.February 24, 2011 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #743963canineMember
What cuddly package?February 24, 2011 3:32 pm at 3:32 pm #743964
Hi. Back on again. Went to cry by Mommy today. Right – Mama Rochel. It was awesome, tears just come. Nothing like it. Again, had all Yidden in mind, esp. CR buddies!
canine: cuddly package = baby girl (cute version B”H)February 24, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #743965always hereParticipant
thank you, Zeeskite! that’s so thoughtful of you to have had us & Klal Yisroel in mind @ the Kotel & Mama Ruchel’s 🙂
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