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  • #595081

    which is correct??????

    #743933

    WolfishMusings
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    They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.

    Walter & I — Kosel

    George — Koysel

    Wilma & Eeees — Kotel

    The Wolf

    #743934

    Koysel. Unless your Sephardi, then Kotel. Unless your Teimani, then Kothel.

    #743935

    wanderingchana
    Participant

    Yes.

    #743936

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    ????

    ????

    ?????

    They are ALL spelled with a “chaf” not a “kuf”-Mod.

    #743937

    amichai
    Participant

    the one above listens in all languages. however you say it is fine.

    #743938

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Oh really? Since when are MODs so serious? I’m about to ploop, are they just starting out?

    #743939

    hanib
    Participant

    depends who you’re talking to – it’s like got shabbos vs. shabbat shalom

    #743940

    KOYTEL is wrong – all of the others are fine.

    #743941

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    As far as I know, no one says Koytel. Unless, perhaps, he became a Sphardi in middle of the word.

    #743942

    mamashtakah
    Member

    There’s an old story about a yeshivish American who gets into a cab in Yerushalayim and tells the driver “Ani roytzeh laleches l’koysel.” The driver says to him “B’ayzeh safa ata m’dabair?”

    #743943

    guy-ocho
    Member

    amichai: thats true, the one above listens to all “languages”. Not mispronunciations of so called “languages”. Is Yeshivish a language, how about Yinglish?

    #743944

    MosheKohn
    Member

    The most inane question I have heard in a long time…

    #743945

    always here
    Participant

    haha… memories..

    I remember when I came back from Israel & met my (future) in-laws for the first time: they asked if I had gone to the ‘Koysil” & I didn’t know what they were talking about!

    I still say ‘Kotel’; my husband says ‘Koysel’.

    #743946

    BS”D

    ???? means “killer” You see it on cans of insecticide and disinfectant in Eretz Yisroel. That would be pronounced KOYTEL in old Ashkenazi loshon hakoidesh (if the word is authentic and not a Zionist coinage – I would think it is indeed authentic) but if you asked someone which bus goes to the koytel, you would not be understood.

    I don’t think you would use the word ???? at all in daily speech.

    #743947

    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    What I personally find EXTREMELY funny is (because of the difference in pronunciation of that letter) when people either…

    – want to show how “Israeli” or “Zionist” they are, and therefore speak ‘SefardiT’, – will take a word that has a ‘samech’ or a ‘sin’ in it, and (because they can’t spell) pronounce THAT letter with a T sound! (i.e. turn ALL S’s to T’s)

    OR CONVERSELY…

    -Those who want to show they are strictly Ashkenazi (and/or anti-Zionist) will do the opposite, and (because THEY can’t spell) pronounce words with the letter ‘tet/tes’ with an ‘S’ sound!

    #743948

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    As the story goes, an American guy asks an Israeli, Ma Shaa? To which the Israeli tells him, Ein Li Mussag. He goes on, until he meets another Israeli, who asks him, Ma Shaa? Having learned a new word, he replies, Hamussag Sheli Shavur.

    #743949

    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    HaLeivi…

    LOLOL!!! Good one!

    #743950

    msseeker
    Member

    600kilobear: It’s Aramaic. ???? ???? *????* ???

    #743951

    bpt
    Participant

    Koisel

    #743952

    i meant koysel not koytel.

    but many ashkanazim that say “SUH” and not “TUH” say kotel and not kosel. its a stirah minay ubay

    #743953

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    It’s kotel l’hotzi dofi m’liban shel tzedukim. You use a dialect other than the one used by the one you’re talking to. If you’re talking to a Zionist, then Koysil. If you’re talking to a litvak, kotel. If you’re talking to a chosid, keys’l. If you’re talking to a NK … well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?

    #743954

    canine
    Member

    “well why would you want to talk to an MK anyway?”

    I agree with you. Rav Elyashev shlit”a said a shomrei Torah U’mitzvos should not enter the Knesset as it is a botei minus.

    #743955

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Thanks for pointing out the typo.

    #743956

    whats an MK??

    #743957

    Kotel.

    AinOd-Hahaha we had teachers that would say “patul” instead of “pasul” ect. to try to sound sephardic. At least they tried

    #743958

    mosherose
    Member

    “They all are – and, in fact, all three would be heard in my home.

    Walter & I — Kosel

    George — Koysel

    Wilma & Eeees — Kotel”

    Whatever happend to the minhag of following the mans customs in the house? Why do yur wife and kids use a different pronounciation?

    #743959

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    chayav: an NK mispelled. Also, a member of the knesset.

    mosherose: what happened to minding your own business?

    #743960

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Reporting from the Holy Land

    Regard to all

    Been to the KOSEL, KOTEL, KOYTEL

    ???? for short

    #743961

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Me again.

    Just wanted to let everyone know, I had everyone here in mind. I do not know anyone’s issues, problems or trials but HaShem does. He knows who you are, where you are, and what is best for you. I put in a good word for all of you (us – we’re all in this together), whether you like it or not.

    From the land that flows with milk and honey,

    ZeesKite

    #743962

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    For those still instested in the ‘offering a seat to..’ issue. So I got on the bus holding my cuddly package ??”?, and EVERYONE, older people too, offered me their seat. ?? ???? ?????.

    #743963

    canine
    Member

    What cuddly package?

    #743964

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Hi. Back on again. Went to cry by Mommy today. Right – Mama Rochel. It was awesome, tears just come. Nothing like it. Again, had all Yidden in mind, esp. CR buddies!

    canine: cuddly package = baby girl (cute version B”H)

    #743965

    always here
    Participant

    thank you, Zeeskite! that’s so thoughtful of you to have had us & Klal Yisroel in mind @ the Kotel & Mama Ruchel’s 🙂

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