May 19, 2009 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #589805YW Moderator-39Member
We all know that the Kosher meals differ based upon airline/departure city/class of service/meal.
This topic is for questions and comments related to these kosher meals.
Please remember, when flying El-Al there is a difference between Kosher and Mehadrin. Remember this when making your reservation.May 19, 2009 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #650124areivimzehlazehParticipant
The only airline meal I ever tasted was breakfast- t’was edible. Other than that it’s not worth breaking up a good 9 hour sleep over 😉May 19, 2009 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #650125squeakParticipant
Kedassia is the only one worth mention 🙂May 19, 2009 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #650126proud tattyMember
Isn’t Kedassia the hechsher? Don’t you mean Hermoulis?
Elal’s mehadrin meals are not food. Especially what they try to pass as breakfastMay 19, 2009 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #650128oomisParticipant
I haven’t traveled in 3 decades, but there used to be Borenstein and Wilton meals, weren’t there?May 20, 2009 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #650129Geordie613Participant
The only time I had a bad Hermolis meal was a month after Rosh hashonoh, i got an old meal with Tzimmes etc. on the same trip i got an excellent hamasbia meal. Usually, it’s the opposite, although Hamasbia has improved 200000% recently.
Rabbi Emanuel in Montreal is working on something, there was an article in Mishpacha about it, but I will say that Hermolis are the market leader in this.May 27, 2009 6:39 am at 6:39 am #650130GoldieLoxxMember
i thought there was no more food on plains. am i rong?May 27, 2009 10:19 am at 10:19 am #650131NobodyMember
Goldieloxx only the budget airlines and local flights don’t serve meals.
Hermolis is definately the best
Bornstein is no good. After a long haul flight (12 hours) they serve a breakfast of a banana, muffin and juice!
The Swiss meals – can’t remember the name are awful – they look like cat food in metal tins with a peel off lid. Ditto the meals out of France.
El Al doesn’t fare much better with their Mehadrin meals usually hot fish which has a strong smell on a full plane and they always serve Humos as a side dish. Fine if you like Humos!
Best airline meals are the meals you make yourself which is what I always do. Make what I want, eat when I want. No problem with keeping things cool. I buy a small cool pack for just a few dollars pop it in the bag and we’re ready to go.May 27, 2009 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #650132
GoldieLoxx, many airlines are cutting meals, unless the flights are too long.
I just took a flight to/from Iceland (a 5.5 hour flight) and no food was served. They offered complimentary beverages and snacks/meals you could buy (non-kosher, though if you had asked in advance maybe they would have bought a meal – I don’t know).
We brought along all our food for the week, so it wasn’t a problem anyway.
When I flew back from Japan we had food from England I think. It was delicious (relatively speaking, for airplane food LOL).May 27, 2009 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #650133
What?!??!?! The Mehadrin meals are not chulent and kugel on thursdays? No herring and kichel for breakfast? Better double check the hechsher!May 27, 2009 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #650134
And most importantly, do they use paper or china?May 27, 2009 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #650135squeakParticipant
jphone – no one here has flown on Shabbos, so we don’t know the answerMay 27, 2009 2:58 pm at 2:58 pm #650136
Motzai Shabbos? Is the melava malka served on paper or china. I would guess china, because the soggy food would go right through the paper.May 27, 2009 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #650137
Squeak, interestingly enough, I once asked my Rabbi about flying on Shabbos.
He said it is allowed, so long as you are on the plane before Shabbos. He said when you land, you are allowed to disembark, but at that point you have to wait to leave the airport until Shabbos is over. No, I’ve never flown on Shabbos, it was more theoretical than anything else.May 27, 2009 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #650138NobodyMember
Jphone just imagine the new charedi mehadrin super duper extra kosher airline menu.
Thursday Chulent/Kigel (fresh)
Friday Chulent/Kigel still fresh
Sunday: leftover Herring and overall leftovers
Tuesday: Leftovers from Monday
Wednesday: Bring your own cos tomorrow there’s fresh Chulent and KigelMay 27, 2009 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #650139cherrybimParticipant
Nobody-“Best airline meals are the meals you make yourself which is what I always do. Make what I want, eat when I want. No problem with keeping things cool. I buy a small cool pack for just a few dollars pop it in the bag and we’re ready to go.”
Great advice, like People Express. Best Airline food I found is when traveling from England.July 9, 2009 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #650140justsmile613Participant
I dont know what everyone is kvetching about. I have had pretty good experiences with airline food. Ok, its not like going to a nice restaurant, but on Elal, COntinental even Tower etc its been good.July 11, 2009 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #650141
Keep in mind that European (and certainly South American and Asian) meals often have unfamiliar hechsherim. Each person flying to/from these destinations, or even having a stopover where they may load on meals, should ask in advance which hechsher the meals have and determine from your Rav if it is acceptable.July 11, 2009 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #650142
Also, airline meals usually contain “mezonos rolls”, which are almost certainly hamotzi.July 12, 2009 3:59 am at 3:59 am #650143veyatzivMember
I order kids meals from EY on El Al. You get badi and bamba and baked zhitti. It’s not bad. They let me order it a couple of times even though my husband and I are adults.July 12, 2009 5:53 am at 5:53 am #650144oomisParticipant
There is an old saying: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is hamotzi. “Mezonos roll” is an oxymoron, from all I have learned. My rov holds it is hamotzi, I forget what the line of reasoning was, but zeh hu.July 12, 2009 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #650145BasYisroel2Participant
I heard that swiss air has good food, and when I flew El Al had the best kosher snacks-edible crackers and pretzels!July 12, 2009 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #650146bein_hasdorimParticipant
The “Only Way” one can fly in an airplane on Shabbos is the following;
1) If you get on the plane before Shabbos
2) you have to make sure you are “Wearing The Seat Belt The Whole Flight!”
Then it is Permissable, for it is considered a “MALBUSH”
(as if you are wearing the airplane!) 🙂July 13, 2009 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #650147
oomis: I’m glad to see we agree on something.
I assume when you write “zeh hu” you mean that for yourself there is nothing to talk about because you have a psak from your Rav, however there are many people who feel that these rolls are mezonos. I could spend many pages explaining why in my opinion they are mistaken, but I’m not sure anyone is interested to hear.July 13, 2009 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #650148WolfishMusingsParticipant
Squeak, interestingly enough, I once asked my Rabbi about flying on Shabbos.
He said it is allowed, so long as you are on the plane before Shabbos. He said when you land, you are allowed to disembark, but at that point you have to wait to leave the airport until Shabbos is over. No, I’ve never flown on Shabbos, it was more theoretical than anything else.
I can’t see how it would be any different than being on a ship on Shabbos (which is certainly allowed).
The only real difference is that many sea voyages take longer than seven days, so being on board on Shabbos is required if you are going to take the trip. For air travel, that obviously isn’t the case, and therefore you shouldn’t schedule a flight for Shabbos. But if you’re on a flight for whatever reason on Shabbos, I can’t see it being any different than being on a ship.
The WolfJuly 14, 2009 7:09 am at 7:09 am #650149JayMatt19Participant
I thought the ship is only allowed if you board prior to Wednesday.
There would also be an issue of carrying anything like a passport or ID with you when disembarking the aircraft.
Here is an interesting question. Can an Israeli Yid fly out of Israel during 2nd day Shavuos? Can he do melacha at his destination airport? Can he leave the airport?July 14, 2009 10:10 am at 10:10 am #650150onlyemesMember
An Israeli does not have two days Shavuos, remember it is the chutznikim who have two days, there really is ONLY one day. So leaving Israel on Isru Chag is no problem at all. The problem only “appears” when the passneger arrives in chutz la’aretz and finds himself in a land where yomtov is in effect. There are varying opinions here and one should ask their rov what to do. Some stay put in the airport till nightfall. Some leave the airport but try to be as inconspicuous as possible when they arrive at their destination. Of course some don’t even fly , thereby avoiding the situation.July 14, 2009 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #650151
JayMatt, my Rabbi explained that I could carry my things off the plane into the airport. He said that the plane connects to the airport directly. If you are in a place where you get off the plane and walk to the terminal it may be different.
This came up when I was flying to Japan. I was looking at flights and accidentally changed the date to fly on Friday/Shabbos. When I realized that, it made me curious to ask. He did say I shouldnt fly unless I needed to (which I didn’t, this was theory), but that it was allowed.
The more problematic part is surviving a 14 hour flight without using the bathroom. 🙂
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.