Kosher beach?

some ppl who live in sea gate they are right off the beach if u know anyone who lives there u can go i know a school that took their students once

Can’t the people living in the nearby houses (or possibly passerby’s) in Sea Gate see the people on the beach?

sender..totall worth it!!! i was taken aback by its beauty and let me tell u, ive been to beaches all over, brighton (ugh), miami, boca, naples, jerseyshore, virginia, eilat, yam yamelach etc…nothing like tel aviv beach!!!

There are 2 beaches available in Seagate- one is very full always. the other one is some distance behind houses- you cant usually see actual people on the beach because its not extremely close and theres a small hill that separates it.. that would be your best option if you go to seagate. but this beach is not so nice-pretty dirty and stuff like that.

Of course they do.. some even go on it. But not jewish men. just some random people like walking their dogs or running.

I don’t see how women can go there in swim gear if men (even non-Jewish) may see them there.

grandmaster: well us jewish girls and women with their kids who go there, dont wear swim gear. we wear a coverup and the women wear long skirts and t-shirts. with bathing suit underneath. theres our solution 🙂

Aren’t t-shirts, by definition, short sleeve (or close to it)?

There are dresses that are made out of bathing suit material.Many Jewish women sell them in Flatbush. Our solution is solved. They even have different designs, and are not uncomfortable. They dry fast, and come in skirts and shirts too!

Doesn’t whatever is worn in the water cling, or becomes tight, to the body?

Grandmaster

They wouldn’t have the same status as a male lifeguard (which to the best of my knowledge is allowed)?

wear a shvim kleid!

contact deena , she will help you out

Why would a male lifeguard be ok?

Are you allowed to nurse on a plane in front of a male pilot just because he is flying the plane and keeping you from dying?

I gotta admit- cshapiro is 100% right!

Tel aviv beach is the most gorgeous ive seen…as long as you go on the private side. The mixed beach there is completely prust.

But on that topic, I once met a friend of mine who said he was working for a goyish day camp.

He said he had a heter to go swimming even though the female counselors were swimming because he is involved in his job.

I asked him whether he found that it was true, that he was too busy to look at them.

He “didn’t understand” the question.

So, why would you want to swim in front of guys, knowing exactly what is going on?

go to the beach at night, that will solve the problem…

Oh, of course he is not paying attention to all the girls wearing bathing suits.

Only the pretty ones.

This is so funny. I wonder how anyone believes this.

Here is a post from a similar question when asked to R’ Tendler.

Thank you for a very interesting question. First of all, I was unaware that such a Psak had been rendered in a public manner, so I really can’t help you in determining which Rav may have announced this Psak. Most religious women that I know will only swim at a pool where there are female lifeguards, or will wear a robe if there are males present. I am aware, though, that at separate beaches in Israel it is common for women to swim in the presence of male lifeguards, the rationale being that most women lifeguards may not be strong enough to carry out an ocean rescue if CH”V needed. However, even in this situation, many women will only go into the ocean in their robes, and this is certainly preferable, when possible.

However, you are correct in observing that some religious women don’t have a problem swimming in the presence of male lifeguards in their bathing suits. In their defense, I’d like to explain as follows. The regular Chiyuv to dress in a modest manner only applies in a public area, where Bnos Yisrael dress in this fashion. At a swimming pool or on the beach, if it is designated for women only, it would be permitted to dress as Bnos Yisroel normally do in this venue, in their bathing suits. However, there is another problem, that of “Lifnei Iver”, appearing in front of a man in a manner in which he will have improper thoughts, which applies in all situations. In Halacha we find a concept of “Torud B’Melachto”- when a man is involved in doing a job, we say that he is busy concentrating on properly doing his job, and you are not transgressing Lifnei Iver be appearing in front of him in an undressed manner since he will not be easily distracted from his job, as he would be if he just happened to be sitting there. This can be compared to a male doctor who is doing a routine checkup on a female patient, he is busy doing his job in the most professional manner, and we don’t have to be concerned that his mind might wander. However, if you are certain that this is not the case, it would certainly not be appropriate to swim in the presence of such a lifeguard, or to allow yourself to be examined by such a physician.

I’m not certain what you mean regarding the difference between swimming and other sports. If you don’t mind explaining, perhaps I could better help you.

I hope that this is helpful for you.

Take care,

Rabbi Aaron Tendler

There is absolutely no heter for a male lifeguard who is Jewish. In very limited circumstances there is a heter (in the Igros Moshe I believe) for a non-Jewish male lifeguard. But not for pleasure swimming or activites. In that case one must not swim rather than use a non Jewish male.

“So, why would you want to swim in front of guys, knowing exactly what is going on?”

I dont. And neither do many other women. They will wear a long something to cover themselves up. Same way I wouldnt sing in front of men who are on the job.

Not even necessarily because i know whats going on in the mans head, more so because I feel weird singing or swimming in front of a man.

my husband & I had Nuweiba (beach), south of Eilat, on the coast of the Gulf of Aqaba, all to ourselves… it was gorgeous! too bad it’s part of Egypt now… when we went it was Israel.

Here:

http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=921&st=&pgnum=119

Seems to say it is muttar.

Says a G-d fearing woman or wife of talmid chacham shouldn’t because maybe he’ll come after her some other time.

He seems more concerned about the yichud issue than the tznius issue.

How does that alleviate the clinging/tightness issue that the water causes.