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  • #1303663

    👑RebYidd23
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    What’s your favorite sushi place?

    #1303685

    Gadolhadorah
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    The Sushi Tokyo location in 5T…..even better than the original location in Brooklyn. Service is a bit uneven (but with one or two exceptions, that seems to be the norm in most Kosher restaurants). Fish quality is excellent and turnover is high so freshness is not a concern.

    #1303689

    zahavasdad
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    Serious question why are some Rebbes against Sushi? If it kosher there should be no reason to assur it

    Ive even seen stickers saying how this home is Sushi Free.

    Just because Your Bubbie and Zayde didnt eat something is no reason to Assur it. Your bubbie and Zayde didnt eat Pasta either , and some even thought Spaghetti was worms

    #1303698

    yehudayona
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    ZD, bubbie and zayde didn’t eat lokshen kugel?

    I’ve heard that when kosher pizza first became available, some people objected. Though at some after 1492, Jews started eating potatoes, and I’ve never heard that there was a machlokes about it. It’s clear to me that the minhag of not eating gebrokts can’t have started before potatoes were available.

    #1303736

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    I think some people are against “fake treif”, and sushi sometimes has fake crab.

    #1303749

    Joseph
    Participant

    What about imitation pork chops, with an OU certification?

    #1303760

    ubiquitin
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    Joseph

    Are you referring to shibuta? It has Rava’s Certification not the OU’s

    Zahava dad
    “Just because Your Bubbie and Zayde didnt eat something is no reason to Assur it. ”

    Nobody (as far as Im aware) says it s actually assur (if properly checked etc). But it shouldnt be that shocking that people who maintain their parents dress also avoid any “new” foods. why is avoiding suchi any stranger than wearing a fur hat in July, or for that matter a fedora.

    Dont try to ask these using logic. IT isnt a logical decision per se. But it helps some maintain a connection to the past. It is a hergesh and not one based on historical factors

    Plus it is an easy way to be frummer than other people. so win win.

    If you enjoy sushi nobody is stopping you (yet)

    #1303813

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I am not talking about the Fake Shrimp (Frankly I dont like that , so I dont eat it)

    I am talking about the Tuna or Salmon Sushi

    #1303837

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Most good sushi bars (kosher or otherwise) will not serve that yucky fake shrimp stuff made from ground up and processed trash fish. Sushi and sashimi are the prime example where “less is more”. Fresh fish with minimal handling and simple presentation are the best and raise the fewest issues of kashruth. The more “stuff” you add to sushi rolls (an entirely American meshugaas) to make them more attractive to the less adventuresome palettes in the market (aka its not schmaltz herring or zeese Ungareshe gefilte fish), the more issues the mashgiach has to focus on and the less tasteful the outcome.

    #1303859

    Joseph
    Participant

    Why would anyone care for sushi when we have our own delicious fish traditions such as gefilte fish?

    #1303866

    👑RebYidd23
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    Cooking fish ruins the flavor.

    #1303880

    Gadolhadorah
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    To Joseph:

    Now we know you are a troll?? The Ebeshter gives us fresh fish as a great source of protein and fresh flavors of the sea; Chazal bring down that he did not intend for his creation to become a condiment for Hungarians to serve sugar etc.

    #1303885

    zahavasdad
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    Why would anyone care for sushi when we have our own delicious fish traditions such as gefilte fish?

    Gefilte Fish is gross thats why and besides, You really think “Hemish Cooking” is so original? Kugel is just another name for Pudding. Kishka is just a jewish version of Polish Sausages

    If you dont like Sushi, that is fine . More for me. but the bigger point is , Eat what you like, not because of some “tradition”

    And Yes my Bubie did know how to cook traditional foods, but that doesnt mean she didnt eat more american stuff too. She liked them too

    #1303888

    Meno
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    My grandmother eats sushi. Does that mean I’m allowed to eat it?

    #1303900

    Yes. Did this dispute exist when Shmulke Bernsteins came on the scene? Or people went to Moshe Peking for business meetings? I’m not old enough to know. However, Sushi is light, satisfying, and a great addition. In fact, it’s become my favorite Seudah Shlishis food. There are plenty of (non-buggy) veggie variations as well. Personally, I’m a Sushi Fussion fan.

    #1303905

    ubiquitin
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    ZD
    “but the bigger point is , Eat what you like, not because of some “tradition””

    What if I like eating foods because I find them “traditional” and by eatign them (or avoiding them) I feel connected to a tradition that may or may not be historical.
    Is that ok?

    (See also “The invention on Tradition” by Eric Hobsbawm & Terence Ranger some chapters are available onl;ine)

    #1303904

    👑RebYidd23
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    Every traditional food was once a controversial innovation.

    #1303909

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    My grandmother eats sushi. Does that mean I’m allowed to eat it?

    That probably depends if she’s your maternal or paternal grandmother.

    #1303994

    zahavasdad
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    You can eat whatever you want, The point was these “Flyers” who claim their house is holy because its Sushi Free , or those that claim Gefilte is better than Sushi

    There an idea called Comfort foods or tradition, Many people like to eat stuff they remember eating as a kid. For some it could be Gefilte, for others it could be Pizza. If you like eating such foods, good. You should eat them, Just dont claim you are holier because you do or there is something less holy about foods that arent traditional

    #1304102

    Joseph: My grandmother made gefilte fish. She also served boiled carp. It says in my shabbos zemiros BASAR VDAGIM VCHOL MATAMIM. It does not say sushi, gefilte fish, tuna fish, whitefish (etc) nor does it say flanken, pastrami, lamb. It is whatever the individual likes to eat. My children know that we eat fish at every shabbos seudah. While we serve gefilte fish, they know that they can buy sushi if they want it, just like if they want whitefish they can buy it. Moshe Rabbeinu came down from Har Sinai with the luchos, not gefilte fish or smoked salmon.

    #1304172

    zahavasdad
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    I know people who dont even like Fish, Not Gefilte, Not Sushi, Not Broilled Salmon, Not Tuna Fish NOTHING

    I also know people who dont like or cant eat Meat

    #1304174

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Moshe Rabbeinu came down from Har Sinai with the luchos

    And the B’nei Yisroel sang “Sushi Orim Rosheichem”.

    #1304284

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ZD

    “If you like eating such foods, good. You should eat them,”

    Again, what If I like avoiding foods, and putting up a sign saying my house is say, ” This house is eggplant free” (I really cant stand eggplant!, and besides eggplant is bigematryiah Sitrah achrah (though dont ask me how) )
    I dont get it, why cant I do that?

    ITs a giant planet their are all sorts of people. Some like Sushi, some dont and some have no opinion. some like putting up signs saying their house is Sushi free. As long as they dont stop you (us!) from eating sushi who cares. roll your eyes and move on.

    #1304379

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Nobody puts up a sign my house is Eggplant Free, or my House is Chicken free

    The only sing you might see is Peanut free , due to allergies

    #1304328

    Gadolhadorah
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    It seems everyone agrees that food preferences were NOT dictated via torah moshe m’sinai nor does the very limited (and grossly unhealthy) pantry of food choices available to yidden in the Alte Heim 75 or 100 years ago have any relevance to what we choose to eat today based on having access to an almost unlimited set of choices that provide much greater nutrition, are healthier and satisfy even the kashruth requirements of the “mega machmir” crowd. Of course, every segment of the tzibur and every family may have its own minhagim which may guide their menus, especially for Shabbos and yom tovim, but otherwise there really are no limits (other than kashruth) for a frum yid today living in any large metropolitan area. Also, today, there are many more families where men share in the cooking with their wives so that introduces a totally separate range of food choices and preparation options. Finally, it was not that easy in the Alte Heim to push a few buttons on your iPhone and have your chulent delivered to your door within 30 minutes. It took that long to walk down the street to the rebbe’s house with a chicken you were fortunate enough to have for Shabbos but about which you had a sheilah.

    #1304512

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ZD

    “Nobody puts up a sign my house is Eggplant Free”

    I do!
    but that is because I am on such a high madreiga. you wouldnt understand.

    #1304514

    DovidBT
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    I eat canned tuna (OU) raw. All you need is a can opener and a spoon. Does that count?

    #1304546

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Canned tuna is not truly raw.

    Part of why some are against sushi is because it is, in some ways, part of a culture in which food is made into a source of entertainment. This is the natural result of refraining from other forms of entertainment.

    #1304566

    kapakahi
    Participant

    Sushi as entertainment? Then Birthday cakes are out, Pizza for sure, and no more macaroons, those are dry anyway. Rice is a staple for the majority of the World’s peoples. Rice made its way into shas and poskim. I grew up in the ’60s, rice was a staple; it was not an entertainment. When you have rid yourself of the really treif entertainment, e.g., movies, tv, internet, videos, then you can start working on people’s pallets.

    #1304560

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Wait wait wait wait wait!!!!

    #1304561

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Don’t sushi menus have a special notice saying that consuming raw fish may come with risks for pregnant women?

    Having a “Sushi Free” Home means that you’re welcome for all women and couples -including women trying to conceive, and women who are unsure if they’re pregnant, as well as those pregnant who haven’t shared the news yet!

    It’s a place where you can host a variety of women, all the while having them feel at ease about not having to explain why they’re not eating the sushi tonight – especially in cases where maybe last month she raved about how she loved sushi, and now she wants to maintain her modesty without making up a story.

    Imagine how thoughtful it is if a rabbi and rebbetzin – who may or may not personally enjoy sushi – decided to give it up for the sake of making all their guests, present and future – welcome in their home!

    #1304565

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    With fresh tuna so readily available in most cities (especially the NYC metro area) its hard to understand why anyone would eat cooked tuna from a can, frequently packed in oil. I guess its the same mindless gourmands who pay $40 or $50 for a good steak and then mindlessly ask that it be served “well-done”.

    #1304584

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Kapahaki, I can’t tell whether you’re disagreeing with me.

    #1304587

    Joseph
    Participant

    Well said, lightbrite, very well said,!

    #1304596

    DovidBT
    Participant

    “With fresh tuna so readily available in most cities (especially the NYC metro area) its hard to understand why anyone would eat cooked tuna from a can, frequently packed in oil.”

    In my location, I couldn’t find any way to obtain kosher fish other than canned. But I only get the kind that’s packed in water.

    #1304602

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Raw Fish isnt a problem to eat, Raw SEAFOOD (Lobsters, Oysters, Crabs) are a problem to eat.

    Most Sushi is usually contains these items, as Lobsters, Crabs, Oysters are bottom dwellers and eat garbage. However those animals are not kosher, so its not part of this discussion here. We are talking about Kosher Sushi, not treif Sushi

    #1304604

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    While some fancy places have a Sushi chef where the cutting is part of the culture and entertainment, Most Sushi is not obtained this way. I have never seen it made this way

    The reason some are against Sushi is because its a “Goyish Food” and Bubbie and Zayde didnt eat it in the Alter Heim

    #1304605

    LB: And what about rolls that only have vegetables and no fish? I can still have sushi in the house as well as any type of couple I choose to invite.

    Godolhadorah: I don’t mindlessly asked for meat well done. It’s my choice. I prefer my meat cooked, not “MAACHOL BEN DRUSAI”.

    As for Tuna, canned tuna $1.00 to $1.50 for 4 oz drained ($6.00/LB). Fresh Tuna – Freunds – $20/LB

    #1304624

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    What’s the point of a vegetable roll? The gefilte equivalent of that is just soggy bread.

    #1304626

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    To lowerourtuition1121

    With regard to an expensive steak, properly “cooked” does not mean well done….you can find a better valued piece of leather at the shoe store. Most of the top restaurants won’t even accept orders for a “well done” steak. As to the price of canned tuna versus fresh tuna, most of us don’t purchase food for our families based on finding the cheapest option available, unless of course, that’s also “your preference”. For a casual lunch sandwich perhaps but who would choose canned tuna for a dinner when fresh is readily available. If you live in the boonies where fresh fish is not available, than of course you are right.

    #1304659

    DovidBT
    Participant

    “As to the price of canned tuna versus fresh tuna, most of us don’t purchase food for our families based on finding the cheapest option available, unless of course, that’s also ‘your preference’.”

    You don’t need to buy expensive ingredients to prepare a good quality meal. That’s like thinking that you need expensive vacations to have a full, rewarding life.

    Yes, I suppose I “live in the boonies”. Thanks for understanding.

    #1304676

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Thanks Joseph!!! ☺☺☺

    #1304680

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    ZD: Two sources…

    1) “Sorry, Pregnant Women, You Still Can’t Eat Sushi” (ABC News)

    “Still, pregnant women are told not to eat raw or under-cooked fish for several reasons, said teratologist Robert Felix, who studies and counsels women on how things during pregnancy effect their unborn children. If it is not prepared and handled properly, sushi can cause parasitic infections, be cross-contaminated by bacteria or other substances or contain high levels of mercury, Felix said.

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend that pregnant women only eat fish cooked to at least 145 degrees Fahrenheit.” (ABC News)

    2) *Pregnancy and Fish* (Mayo Clinic)

    “Are there other guidelines for seafood during pregnancy?

    Consider these precautions:

    Skip uncooked fish and shellfish. To avoid harmful bacteria or viruses, don’t eat uncooked fish and shellfish, including oysters, sushi, sashimi and refrigerated uncooked seafood labeled nova style, lox, kippered, smoked or jerky.

    Cook seafood properly. Most seafood should be cooked to an internal temperature of 145 F (63C). Fish is done when it separates into flakes and appears opaque throughout.” (Mayo Clinic)

    —-
    Why would you want to risk your baby’s life just for a bite of sushi?

    #1304706

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Just a note on tuna, since it came up, and another reason why people would avoid fresh tuna other than the price. Tuna is high on mercury, fresh tuna is apparently higher than canned, and white albacore, higher than light tuna. Too much tuna poses a health-risk, especially for children and pregnant women. There are official recommendations about how much of each kind one can safely eat, and these recommendations have recently gotten stricter. Sorry, don’t remember the details, but a google search can give you the info if you want it.

    #1304715

    aishet chover
    Participant

    Zahavasdad: did you answer your own serious question? Hmm…

    #1304726

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Ive bought fresh Tuna a few times and grilled it. When its grilled it tastes like Tuna from the can

    DovidBT

    Around here almost every other store sells Sushi, even the Pizza store sells Sushi, as does the supermarket

    I personally dont consider Vegetible roll or Avocado Roll , Sushi, Sushi must contain fish

    #1304844

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Assuming most YWN readers are not pregnant, there is no reason you cannot eat fresh fish once a week without worrying about mercury et. al. You fail to mention the cardiac benefits of fish along with the protein and absence of material amounts of bad fats. Like anything else, with moderation its fine. If you are going to eat fish once or twice a week, much better fresh than canned. Substantially more people get sick from poorly handled and prepared chicken than fish according to the CDC. If you know a commercial insurance broker, just ask if a sushi restaurant would pay a higher premium to cover potential customer claims versus a pizza restaurant or chicken rotisserie takeout.

    #1304879

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “I personally dont consider Vegetible roll or Avocado Roll , Sushi, Sushi must contain fish”

    It is a free country, and much like some can avoid sushi for whatever reason they please, you can call whatever you want sushi. Though strictly speaking you are incorrect as sushi refers to the rice. Thus Vegtable sushi is sushi while Pesach Quinoa sushi technically isnt.

    #1304911

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Pregnant women can just eat cooked sushi for a while.

    #1304912

    GadolH: You wrote ““As to the price of canned tuna versus fresh tuna, most of us don’t purchase food for our families based on finding the cheapest option available, unless of course, that’s also ‘your preference’.””

    Maybe you can offered Filet Mignon, Rib Steaks and Fresh Tuna every night. Unfortunately, I can’t. So yes, I do have to go with a cheaper (not necessarily “cheapest”) option for my family. Should I serve chicken at $1.99 – 2.59/LB or Rib steak at $8.99 – 10.99/LB or Tuna at $20.00/ LB?

    As for my taste for meat either medium or well done. I don’t tell you how to cook yours; why do you have the right to tell me how to cook mine? That restaurants don’t serve well done is not my issue. I don’t frequent them anyway.

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