March 30, 2015 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #615405
seriouslyMarch 30, 2015 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #1067550🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
L’maaseh there will be people smoking on pesach/chol hamoed. Do you want them being over on two aveiros, or rather only one?March 30, 2015 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1067551
but at the end of the day it legitimizes it and its definitly a chillul hashemMarch 30, 2015 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #1067552🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipantMarch 30, 2015 10:13 pm at 10:13 pm #1067553
“L’maaseh there will be people smoking on pesach/chol hamoed. Do you want them being over on two aveiros, or rather only one?”
1) Many simply don’t smoke on Pesach and some even quit as a result – ????? ????? ???????.
2) It certainly created legitimacy for smoking, especially when they advertise in some of the religious newspapers here in Israel bragging about their Hehsher,
3) At the very least there should be a disclaimer regarding general Halachik permissibly. Would anyone give a Hechser to a salmon & beef sandwich?
4) And then you of course have the issue of Chilul Hashem. Last year when they advertised the Hechsher it generated some horrible Facebook posts among secular Israelis.March 30, 2015 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1067554
It may be constructive to contact those responsible for the hechsehr directly:
050-5280002 08-9228463 ???????? ????? ????
european kosher +972.2.9547161March 30, 2015 10:34 pm at 10:34 pm #1067555Yayin Yashan B’Kli ChadashParticipant
I heard Winston.March 30, 2015 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1067556
and of course the fact that all the 15 year olds who are just starting to smoke will be using this as a hetter to get adiicted to cigarettesMarch 31, 2015 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1067557ToiParticipant
you dont need a hechsher for cigs. they tobacco itself is nifsal me’achilas kelev by the time you put it in your body and theres no achshiveih because its not achila. so sadi my rov, a prominent yerushalmi posek in yerushalyim who incidentally holds it assur to smoke.March 31, 2015 2:59 am at 2:59 am #1067558mw13Participant
I wonder if I can get certified chometz-free pork…March 31, 2015 3:54 am at 3:54 am #1067559
achshivieh?March 31, 2015 6:05 am at 6:05 am #1067560oyyoyyoyParticipant
its funny ur name is tzvei dinim amd u cant keep these 2 issues separatedMarch 31, 2015 7:21 am at 7:21 am #1067561
“its funny ur name is tzvei dinim amd u cant keep these 2 issues separated
Missed the boat. Just because Chametz & suicide are 2 dinim doesn’t mean Hechsher should be given. That is why the analogy to salmon beef sandwich.March 31, 2015 9:02 am at 9:02 am #1067562This name is already takenParticipant
It’s not so simple that smoking is assurMarch 31, 2015 12:34 pm at 12:34 pm #1067563ED IT ORParticipant
This is why i always burned my cigarettes over pesach,
…..albeit one by one and slowlyMarch 31, 2015 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1067564Jewish ThinkerParticipant
Smoking can kill.March 31, 2015 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #1067565Yayin Yashan B’Kli ChadashParticipant
???? ??. I don’t think anyone knew that until you told us. Thank you for enlightening us that smoking can kill. It might even be assur, according to some poskim. I’ll bet none of you knew that.March 31, 2015 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #1067566
The following is a partial list of poskim who Asur smoking,
[sources were posted already at http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/smoking-why-should-it-be-muttar
R’ Ahron Kotler,
R’ Yaakov Kaminetsky,
R’ Chaim Kanievsky,
R’ Dovid Feinstein,
the Be’er Moshe,
the Tzitz Eliezer,
R’ Moshe Shternbuch,
R’ Osher Veis,
the Rivvos Ephraim,
R’ Nissim Karelitz,
R’ Ovadia Yosef,
R’ Bentzion Aba Shaul,
R’ Shlomo Zalman Aurbach
and Rav Shmuel Aurbach
among many others.
You cannot do any act that allows or encourages a Sakana, even if the other person thinks it’s Mutar. In fact, one is obligated to be Mechalel Shabbos to save someone from danger, even if it’s against that persons will, and even if the risk is only small, and even if it’s only a long term risk!
In reality what this Baal Hamachsir is (unintentionally) doing is helping cause families of Almanos and Yesomim. And he’d never even know who.March 31, 2015 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1067567oyyoyyoyParticipant
haha, go put out a cigarette on shabbos
thought this thread wud be about which ones arent a shaila on pesach
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