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  • #2031441

    Nice to see some justice served as kyle is acquitted on all charges. This was an open and shut case, kyle was clearly acting in self defense. Now it’s absolutely disgusting to see the way the media and democrat politicians are reacting to the verdict, frankly it was disgusting the way they commented on the case before the verdict as well. Kyle will not only walk away a free man, but when he’s through with his defamation lawsuits, he’ll likely walk away a mega-rich man as well. They labeled him a murder, and a white supremacist. They completely lied about details in the case, trying to write their own story. People don’t like that Trump was supposedly “divisive”, but the democrat leaders, including Biden himself, are riling up their own base by creating a rittenhouse-narrative that doesn’t exist, they are doing more to divide than Trump could have ever done. You may not like that kyle was there in the first place, defending property against the *looters*, and *rioters* but he had every legal right to do so. He didn’t cross state lines with a weapon, this is a lie that was disproven during the trial, yet democrats continue to claim he did. So no Mr Nadler, declaring Rittenhouse innocent isn’t a “miscarriage of justice”, but the fact that he was prosecuted in the first place certainly was. And perhaps the “dangerous precedent” you say this sets is that one is allowed to defend his own life against someone who is trying to kill you. What the democrats are now doing is inciting yet more violence, violence that will likely put Jan 6 to shame, but that okay, because well in the name of social justice, right?

    #2031479
    AviraDeArah
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    A 17 year old going out with a gun in the middle of a mass riot to try and be a hero isn’t something laudable; i agree that he was not trying to br a murderer and acted in self defense, but he’s a pretty bad role model and not someone we should praise. Not going to jail is fine, but he should get himself a good therapist

    #2031482
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    And there you have exhibit number 1 of someone commenting without having the facts. Which I guess is what his case was founded on so maybe it isn’t a problem…

    #2031498
    jackk
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    A 17 year old with an AR-15 style rifle kills a man who didn’t have a weapon and he should not have been prosecuted?

    He needs to answer for every shot that he took – and he shot many many times.

    #2031512
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    exhibit 2

    #2031501
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Very well put Avira.

    The only thing , I have to add is it reminds me of George Zimmerman, there’s a bit of a hole in the system. You have loser waanabe-cops who get involved in a confrontation, naturally they can’t actually fight, so when they are losing, they can fall back on their gun and (legitimately) claim self defense .

    He is no hero.
    Though I doubt he’s walking away rich he will be sued by the victims and will be swamped with legal fees for some time

    #2031503

    Kyle was a stupid wana be hero who ended up having to defend his life from 3 atackers.

    #2031505
    Health
    Participant

    Avira -“but he’s a pretty bad role model and not someone we should praise”

    And I thought you were a conservative?!?
    I guess not.
    Why do you Believe the Lying MNM?!?
    He’s a guy that Meant Well.
    He went out to help innocent people defending their Property.
    He helped people that were injured.

    I have a question for you.
    Where was all the Gov. Agencies to Stop all the Looting & Rioting?!?
    They must have learned from Dinkins & DeBlasio -“Let the Woke Mob Vent”!

    #2031530
    jackk
    Participant

    Mrs Syag,

    Please explain.

    #2031536
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    This thread is going to get boring pretty fast.

    #2031537
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    jackk – I actually thought about elaborating but then I remembered that in the past when I tried to explain things I saw (mostly revolving around the elections impeachment garbage) instead of getting responses I would get insults about watching too much fox news (NOT singling you out, this was a general response). So back then that was not where I got my info, and now it isn’t either, but I couldn’t imagine why the responses would be any different. I had actually not read any news stories on this all year. And, if I may add I assumed same as you regarding the story til I watched/listened to the actual trial (with no opinion pieces).

    While I don’t condone running out to a mob with a gun, his dad lived in the town and he was sick of watching business burn down with nobody doing anything about it. I can’t argue him on that point. Im kinda sick of it myself.

    #2031539
    ujm
    Participant

    Rosenberg was a convicted felon of violent crimes who was just released from a mental hospital. He chased Kyle for quite a distance, threatening him verbally and physically, and he lunged for the gun in an attempt to grab it.

    #2031541
    2scents
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    Jackk,

    “ A 17 year old with an AR-15 style rifle kills a man who didn’t have a weapon and he should not have been prosecuted?”

    While he is no hero and did something stupid by putting himself in this position. Your dismissing the fact that he was assaulted with a deadly weapon and an attempt to kill him was initiated by others. At that moment, there is the doctrine of self defense.

    it’s unacceptable to dismiss the fact that he was acting in self defense and accuse him of being a murderer. I hope no one is judged by this standard.

    The people that he shot, are not innocent. While any human loss is tragic and should be avoided, the doctrine of self defense at the expense of the would-be murderer, is accepted.

    At least from an apolitical viewpoint.

    #2031542
    2scents
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    Just trying to imagine if he were not to exercise his ability to defend himself from the individuals that had intent and took action to kill him. What would have been the political response?

    Rosenbaum, huber and that other guy would be prosecuted for manslaughter?

    If not, why not?

    If yes, why then was it not Ok for him to defend himself using an equal force to the threat?

    #2031547
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    haleivi – that wasn’t so nice. You are welcome to not click on it if it doesn’t interest you

    #2031556
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    obviously self defense has to be proven, but without the issue of right or wrong on this, I am not sure why anyone calls the victims “unarmed” as if they were safe and not capable of killing. If a guy is on his skateboard it may not be dangerous, but once he starts smashing someone on the head with it I don’t see how you can question the ability to kill.

    Maybe it’s just cuz I live in chicago and it’s such a happening town, but I am fairly sure that people get beaten to death with skateboards, planks of wood, grabbed weapons and bare hands fairly often.

    #2031578

    Jackk-“A 17 year old with an AR-15 style rifle kills a man who didn’t have a weapon and he should not have been prosecuted?”-wow when you put it this way, sure he should have been prosecuted, except this version of the story doesn’t reflect reality. A mentally deranged person was chasing him, caught up to him, and reached for his gun. He also threatened earlier to kill rittenhouse. And even lfi this argument, why then was he prosecuted for shooting huber and grosskreutz? They were definitely armed. This trial was 100% politically motivated and it’s just too obvious.
    Ubi-“Though I doubt he’s walking away rich he will be sued by the victims and will be swamped with legal fees for some time”-his victims are suing him for what exactly? His legal fees have most probably been covered by raised funds though I can’t confirm that. But regardless, Nicholas Sandmann, who was defamed by the Mainstream Media, is now worth over $100,000,000. I’d say Rittenhouse can get a lot more.
    And to everyone who is saying Rittenhouse shouldn’t be playing cop, and all…2 points.
    A) This does not at all take away his claim of self defense. Some of you have admitted that.
    B)If it was your private business that you invested your whole life in, that he was defending, would you still sing the same tune? I think not.

    #2031582
    Lostspark
    Participant

    This case is a victory for all of us who don’t like our property and businesses destroyed by Bolshevik mobs.

    You can’t count on the police to protect you, arm yourselves educate yourselves don’t let the msm convince you otherwise they don’t have your best interests at heart.

    Rittenhouse was cleared of all charges by a jury of his peers, we should be thankful this country still holds by having a court of law. Anyone opposing the ruling of this case is either ignorant, or a facilitator to the Bolshevik mobs plain and simple.

    #2031585
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    During the trial, the man who was injured admitted under oath that he pointed a pistol at Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse shot him. Another prosecution witness testified that the mob was chasing Rittenhouse, not the other way around.
    It also came out that Facebook censored any comment that could be considered pro Rittenhouse, including those of his lawyer. So, anyone following the trial on Facebook got a one sided point of view

    #2031605
    Abba_S
    Participant

    The DA’s office didn’t put on a good case. They didn’t submit any evidence regarding the curfew. They had no response to the gun charge, once the defence claimed the law only prevented 17 year old from owning a short barrel gun, which the AR15 wasn’t. As far as the rest of the charges the defence was claiming selfdefence all the evidence showed he only shot after he was attacked and with the videos showing what happened it was hard for them to show it wasn’t selfdefence. They tried to say that the pointing of his gun was provocation but I don’t think the jury was buying it.

    #2031609
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    jackk – above are many of the points I saw and heard and would have mentioned.

    #2031623
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Syag, sorry for the smug comment.

    These things are always broken along party lines, and you see many rehashed points. There are many topics which I don’t check out. Here, it’s not the topic but rather the way it is bound to devolve.

    #2031643
    jackk
    Participant

    I was referring to the first person he killed, Joseph Rosenbaum, which is why I used the singular.
    My point was that he was unarmed and killed anyway therefore to say that there should never have been a prosecution is a false narrative that has been propagated. (By you know who.)

    I was not discussing the second killing with a deadly skateboard vs an AR-15 style rifle or of the shooting of a Freeland where he missed or the fourth shooting where he was considered a active in shooter.
    What he did to the fourth victim, he might have been able to do to the first three. There surely were many legal reasons for a prosecution. The prosecution did a terrible job.

    And we all know if he would have been a poor minority from the other part of Chicago , he would be on death row now for killing 2 white men peacefully protesting.

    I am old enough to have seen many murderers get away with it.
    If you have money, you can game the legal system.
    Just look at OJ.

    #2031652
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Jackk – I agree that its dumb to say there should have been no arrest, but just as dumb to say he got off like oj. I can’t wrap my head around how people have turned this into a political thing when it was so obviously in need of a trial and after the facts (FACTS) came out it was so obvious that the media lied. Is that why this became political, because the media voted guilty and the media is for Biden so if you are Democrat you have to be against Kyle? It’s really puzzling. This doesn’t even involve blacks so that can’t be the issue [head scratch]

    Having watched all of both trials I have to tell you there ain’t even minor similarities let alone major. It is also glaringly obvious, tho correct me if im wrong, that you did not watch the Rittenhouse trial and are relying on either reports or politics. You’re too intelligent to make those comments any other way.

    #2031655
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    Jack
    There were 3 people shot , not 4. Rosenbaum was reaching for the gun barrel. They were part of a rioting mob, not peaceful protestors. If the Governor had followed thru on his responsibilities, and called out the National Guard 3 days of peaceful rioting, arson and looting could have avoided as well as the whole Rittenhouse incident

    #2031644
    emes nisht sheker
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    Not here to argue whether he should be guilty or not or whether the protests caused damage or not, but take this another way… Imagine Jewish people were protesting something and a kid with swastikas showed up with an AR15 or maybe some kids with Hama flags with AR15s. How difficult would it be to trigger a conflict and then say they were afraid for their lives.

    So whether Rittenhouse is technically innocent or not, the idea that people here are supportive of a 17 year old kid with an AR15 at such a protest is pretty disturbing to me.

    #2031672
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Try reading the court transcripts. You’ll find out where your mistakes are and it will answer your questions

    #2031676
    Yserbius123
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    I must have missed that day in Yeshiva where it was explained that we have a responsibility as Torah Jews to carry weapons around with us all the time and even insert ourselves into dangerous situations where our weapons may come in handy.

    #2031678
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Where does that fit in to this conversation?

    #2031701

    I did not follow it closely, but it seems if the jury decision is reasonable, this is essentially a statement that those rioters were potential murderers en masse – that is, if KR acted in self-defense, he had a reasonable fear for his life three times. So, the other side is upset and the story might not be over and whatever happened today may the next part of it.

    #2031776
    jackk
    Participant

    Anonymous – he shot at 4 people. 1 Person he missed. In Wisconsin , if for whatever reason you reach for someone’s gun barrel , they can legally blow you away. Don’t even have to shoot him in the arm. Go figure.
    Welcome to the Nation of על חרבּך תחיה

    #2031775
    jackk
    Participant

    Syag,

    The jury decided that Kyle was fearful for his life and acted in self-defense in killing 2 people and injuring a third.
    Is it possible that Kyle went to a situation where he needs a rifle because he wanted to use it and he found the perfect opportunity? There is nothing that was shown at the trial to determine whether this is true or false.

    The comparison to OJ is that money for a good lawyer gives a defendant the advantage in the US over salaried DA’s . Poor people in the justice system are forced into plea deals every day by their court appointed lawyers. You don’t agree to that?

    I am (not) sorry that I do not have the time to watch the whole trial. But as I have said other times in the YWN, watching a trial does not help with knowing what the jury will decide. So it is a moot point. The jury sees a very different trial than everyone else and they are not experts and do not hear commentary on the trial.

    It was made political because:
    1) Kyle is a hero to the right because he was defending against the BLM riots that were going on in cities across America.
    2) It was during a protest of the shooting of a black person by police. Jacob Blake was shot and seriously injured by police officer Rusten Sheskey in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Sheskey shot Blake in the back four times and the side three times.

    #2031771
    jackk
    Participant

    AAQ,

    “potential murderers – en masse ” .
    How many other people were killed during the Kenosha protests ? Must be a lot if there were so many murderers there!
    Are you saying that legally he could have killed everyone at the protest and still used the self-defense defense?
    When you start killing people in a crowd , even those that are trying to get you to stop , when are you the instigator?

    The other side should be happy that he didn’t put his rifle on automatic and unload on the whole crowd.

    #2031806
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    When I don’t have time to watch a trial, I don’t pretend I did. You are making comments that are inaccurate that anyone who actually watched would know, as opposed to basing it on subjectivity and op eds. You have good questions, they just don’t apply to this case. Like those tweets that went out from some university or something lambasting the jury for allowing black deaths to go unpunished. Is her statement wrong? I don’t know, but it still has nothing to do with this trial.
    I

    #2031913
    ujm
    Participant

    jackk: Under Jewish Law, if someone (other than your parent etc) breaks into your house you are 100% permitted to blow him away on the spot, even if he’s unarmed.

    #2031921
    anonymous Jew
    Participant

    One last comment. You keep calling the riots protests. It brings to mind the CNN reporter commenting about the “mostly peaceful protests ” while over his shoulder you could see an entire row of buildings up in flames.

    #2032016
    Health
    Participant

    ENS -“So whether Rittenhouse is technically innocent or not, the idea that people here are supportive of a 17 year old kid with an AR15 at such a protest is pretty disturbing to me.”

    So we are Not supporting kids to do police work, but if the Jury acquitted him – was it Just?!?
    So, why don’t you find it Disturbing that when a group feels discriminated against, that they just make a Demonstration, but instead they Riot & Burn?!?

    “Imagine Jewish people were protesting something and a kid with swastikas showed up with an AR15 or maybe some kids with Hama flags with AR15s.”

    That’s the Problem with you Libs – you want laws based on Emotion.
    The Non- guilty verdict is based on our Laws, Not what you believe in!

    That’s why the Libs want CRT taught, because the Theory claims the laws are based on Discrimination!
    That’s why the Voters in Virginia rejected the DemonCrats, after many years of Voting them in.
    And they aren’t White Supremacists!

    edited

    #2032035
    Health
    Participant

    Oh Jackk, -“Is it possible that Kyle went to a situation where he needs a rifle because he wanted to use it and he found the perfect opportunity? ”

    Who cares what his intentions were?
    You want this Country to be like Nazi Germany or Commy Russia!
    We have a country based on Laws – too Bad that there wasn’t Justice for the Cop in Milwaukee.
    At least in this case, some people are rejecting making this Country a bastion of Far Leftism!!!

    #2032048
    Yserbius123
    Participant

    “Not guilty” just means “Kyle Rittenhouse did not commit intentional homicide” which I think would be obvious for anyone paying attention. It does not mean that he isn’t a blithering idiot who thinks he’s some sort of Batman that’s going to jump into the middle of a riot and protect… something… by waving a rifle around hoping that someone will attack him so he can shoot and declare self-defense.

    #2032020
    Health
    Participant

    Oh Jackk, -“Don’t even have to shoot him in the arm. Go figure”

    Since you Libs want to take away the Interpretation of 2nd amendment, you probably never learnt how to Shoot a Gun.
    They only teach you to shoot on the Upper Body or the Head.
    So to defend himself – did the right thing.

    #2032100
    2scents
    Participant

    Yserbius123

    ““Not guilty” just means “Kyle Rittenhouse did not commit intentional homicide”

    Correct, and we can argue all day on how virtuous Rittenhouse was or not. However, the narrative from a political standpoint was that he was a murder and some politicians publically stated that this is a miscarriage of justice, which this was not.

    #2032116
    DBS
    Participant

    Health
    First of all, does your capitalization of random words have a reasoning or do you just not have a basic grasp of the English language?
    Second of all, you can say that Rittenhouse was innocent (he was) and not laud him as a hero.
    Third, your constant comparison of things to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are laughable and seriously undercut any good arguments you might be able to make. Unironic exaggerations make you look uneducated.

    #2032126
    jackk
    Participant

    UJM,

    I don’t see the comparison to הבּא בּמחתרת here.

    #2032131
    jackk
    Participant

    Was justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?

    #2032135
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Good question. Justice was served because the verdict matched the facts. The jury chose to ignore the intimidation of the threatening crowds. Unlike oj and many others.

    #2032165

    Jackk-“I was referring to the first person he killed, Joseph Rosenbaum, which is why I used the singular.
    My point was that he was unarmed and killed anyway therefore to say that there should never have been a prosecution is a false narrative that has been propagated. (By you know who.)”-Well guess what jackk, your still have to answer why he was prosecuted on the other charges, if you are to argue it wasn’t politically motivated. And you keep referring to Rosenbaum as “unarmed” and keep ignoring the fact that he was trying to get Rittenhouse’s gun. And the notion that he should have just shot him in the arm is 1st grade level stupidity and you know it.
    -“The prosecution did a terrible job.”- I keep seeing people say this, but I don’t see how he could have done a better job considering he didn’t have a case to begin with.
    -“And we all know if he would have been a poor minority from the other part of Chicago , he would be on death row now for killing 2 white men peacefully protesting.”-More gaslighting, race-baiting garbage. Jackk, my question to you, is why in your mind should Kyle be guilty, and based on what evidence. Why is President Biden “angry” and “upset” with the verdict. Why does Nadler call the verdict a “miscarriage of justice”. There better be a good reason because these comments are currently, and actively inflaming and inciting the far-left to do what they do.
    It’s comments like these that divide the country.
    ENS-“Imagine Jewish people were protesting something and a kid with swastikas showed up with an AR15 or maybe some kids with Hama flags with AR15s.”-Awful comparison, Rittenhouse wasn’t doing anything to “trigger” the rioters-other than defending property.
    Yserbius-“I must have missed that day in Yeshiva where it was explained that we have a responsibility as Torah Jews to carry weapons around with us all the time and even insert ourselves into dangerous situations where our weapons may come in handy.”-Must’ve missed the post where anyone advocates for Torah jews to carry weapons…..
    -“by waving a rifle around hoping that someone will attack him so he can shoot and declare self-defense.”-He wasn’t waving his rifle, and he wasn’t hoping to shoot someone. You have no evidence for this. Unless of course you bought into the prosecutor’s argument that since Kyle plays video games, you know, he just likes to shoot people…..

    #2032227
    ujm
    Participant

    The three shot thugs were much worse hooligans than anything describable regarding Rittenhouse.

    #2032244
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Was justice served because the jury found him innocent or because the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence?”

    I like this question. I think its hard to answer in general

    In this case its easy because it is both. Other cases are harder take the OJ case, we all know OJ did it (he has since basically admitted it) Though even then we have a rule of law, and it is harmful if elected officials undermine it (though carefully expressing confusion/disappointment at a jurt’s verdict would be fine I think)

    There is a third possibility though Wikipedia translates justice more broadly as “people receive that which they deserve” Of t his I’m not sure. I don’t think Kyle is complelty innocent, I think he went looking for trouble (I grant I can’t prove this its just the vibe I get, though worth noting even if I could prove it say he told a friend “I’m going to Kenosha to show them whose boss” or something like that it still likely wouldn’t, and probably shouldn’t affect the actual verdict.) However If he isnt completely innocent it is “unjust” (in this broad sense) that he walks away scot free

    But using the two defitnions of “justice” you provided “justice served because the jury found him innocent ” or “the law is that the jury gets to decide guilt or innocence” in both cases justice was served

    #2032246
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    ujm – so what? that is totally irrelevent.

    #2032274
    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    SYAG,

    It is not so irrelevant. A goyish kup would say its “karma”.

    But more seriously, the fact that the three people who were shot have violent pasts presents a strong likelihood that their threats and the way those threats were presented were more likely to have seemed like real immediate threats to the life of Mr. Rittenhouse.

    There is a very big difference between someone who just yells “I am going to kill you” vs some yelling that who has actually attempted to kill people or actually caused people serious bodily harm. And that difference and the follow up actions would be perceived by the person being threatened even if they were unaware of the attacker’s violent/criminal past. We all have seen actions and said “stay away, that person is dangerous”.

    Even the prosecutor presumably would agree with this, because he averred that just playing a video game is indicative of a person who would readily cause harm. Al achas camah vcamah for someone who has actually attached real human beings. (Rosenbaum’s mental issues even exacerbated this. Mental illness “may” be an excuse regarding being found guilty, but in no way will it make his threats less threating, quite the opposite)

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