Labels And Tzinus

oh i know it’s a luxury, but i don’t really see a problem with it.

i personally dont care what people do with their money, what i do dislike people talking about another’s money. its so tasteless and this whole thread is full of that. seriously people, dont you have anything better to do with your time than worry about what people do with their possessions?

no, you see there i would object, but that was not the contention of the OP. the OP was bashing AL:L displays of luxury. i concede that there are instances of gaivah among the wealthy, but to generalize is disgusting.

if someone lives in a wealthy neighbourhood and builds a huge house, kol hakavod. i wish them well, may them and their family live ad meah vesrim with bracha and hatzlacha. there is a distinct difference between living in luxury and flaunting, it’s sad that you can’t see the difference.

Sacril what was “…a hilarious Pathetic post to state to begin with” ,which you are referring to?

If you look in the chumash it says:

“Y’vorechechu Hashem v’ishmrechu….” I heard once a nice thing, that this refers to getting a “Blessing of Gashmius”. We should get a bracha but rise above it, and not let it rise above us. Inflating our egos above us.

Bombmanic Don’t let it run your life, running to buy the most “expensive” shirts, albeit superior quality, maybe monogrammed too, etc.

Everyone knows the test of being wealthy is much harder than the test of being poor. When poor folks don’t have – they don’t have. Simple.

But when ppl have $$ and show it off its sickening. Its a real defect in character. Its the principle of it. How can you drive a lexus, have your wife in a fur coat, and vacaction in Florida when you know for a fact that your neighbor down the road can’t afford pampers for their babies? You do hurt others openly living a lifestyle others cannot afford.

You should feel shame when you live that much higher than the majority of the world around you.

Everyone knows that the test of being “blessed with wealth” is to learn to loosen up the attachment to holding on to the material. To open the unclenched fist and to give. Maybe that “Giving” means giving up the show of a higher standard of life that is not within a modest torahdik way.

My daughter’s teacher pointed something out real nice last week about the parsha. She said that according to what Avraham Avinu could have really afforded, it could be said (argued) that Rivkah Imaynu got cheap jewellery, as the gift from Eliezer. The point is that we should be happy with a modest amount.

in that situation he has a point, but in general i think its just jealousy that leads to this type of thread. i was discussing this thread with my boss and he told me that he agrees with the OP because luxury just isnt the yiddishe veg. then he dropped that he would buy a lexus if he could afford it. what’s good for the goos in this case is apparently not good for the gander. without saying it he basically admitted that he would be jealous of a lexus, but hed be fine if he had one for himself.

frumladywonderfulperson: i’m not saying it should run your life, enjoying luxury is not running your life. obsession with gashmiyus is running your life. there’s a difference, a difference none of you seem to understand

ramateshkolian – I do agree with you.

The essence of tznius is penimius over chitzonius. That a person’s soul is the thing that runs his life, not things that merely cover the cover to the soul i.e. the body

ostentatiousness, and labels, which put ostentatiousness front and center, are about chitzonius. Decorating the body to such an extent, that it’s not about covering the body anymore, but about drawing attraction to it. Making people forget that the body is merely a container for the soul and not an entity with any value by itself.

When a person dresses ostentatiously, he or she is putting the body first and the soul second and emphasizing the chitzoni over the pnimi and undermining tznius, which is about protecting/hiding inner beauty by covering outer beauty.

mdd ha ha ha ha ha. Communists in Russia care what their neighbors have while they wear fur?

Listen for the record I am quoting the sefer “Orchas Tzaddikim” :

OBviously not in Loshen Ha KOdesh but in the translation by Rabbi Shraga Silverstein, publisher Feldheim.

(Vayikra 19:14) “And do not place a stumbling block before the blind”. Therefore it is a virtuous trait in a man not to wear unusually beautiful or costly garments, neither he, his wife, nor his children. The same applies to food and other matters- so that others not envy him. But if one has been graciously favored by the Blessed Creator with wealth and property, let him benefit others thereby, both rich and poor and comport himself gently with them and accord them lovingkindness.

However, it goes on and this is all within the chapter of The Gate of Envy and i must agree to what Bombmanic has been saying all along in a sense, that ….”Therefore one should keep himself far from envy and desire and NOT desire anythign possessed by others.”