July 7, 2021 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1989390techelesParticipant
Did anyone hear of the Asifa in Lakewood yesterday about Moving to EY?July 7, 2021 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1989400ujmParticipant
The one where they warned against it due to the threat against Yiddishkeit from the Israeli government?July 7, 2021 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #1989418
Troll du jour?July 7, 2021 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1989426
I’m not sure most Israelis will really care if they have a smaller number of ehrliche Lakewood yidden making aliyah. The new government is not launching a war on yiddeshkeit but clearly will be seeking to respond to the beliefs of the their constituents that ALL those living in EY should be treated equally regarding military/public service obligations, taxes, government subsidies etc.July 7, 2021 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #1989427Yabia OmerParticipant
The proper Hebrew word is Asefa. A gathering. But I find it interesting that people in Lakewood would rather be in rural New Jersey than Eretz Hakodesh.July 7, 2021 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #1989438
At least they found some new issue about which to hold an asefa. For a while, it seemed that all the asefas were held with the singular purpose of screaming gevalt about the internet and “assuring” smart phones among the yungerleit.July 8, 2021 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #1989863
GH > screaming gevalt about the internet
I felt very uneasy listening such a speech at early COVID that ascribed COVID to too much internet. That was before all (survivors) agreed to ignore it. I felt uneasy listening to that .. on internet.
It seems that there are two parallel ads going on – one was for the phones for the offline community, and another for online stream for online, and then technology merged these two audiences. None of the ads I saw mentioned both phone and stream. I don’t know whether the speaker was aware about being streamed online.July 12, 2021 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1990732midwesternerParticipant
Was it an asifa, or a marketing event? (with what I hear was a disappointing turnout.)July 12, 2021 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #1990768
Hopefully, 18 months of living with Covid may have changed at least a few minds within the Chareidi tzibur about the positive elements of internet access (subject to strict filtering and proper oversight). It provided access to continued virtual learning for hundreds of thousands of children and young adults, offered access to critical public health information, allowed many to continue working from homes when their employers shut down their offices/stores/facilities and in recent months, provided a simple and easy way to register for vaccination.July 12, 2021 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #1990807
You can always count on GH to feel a tingling down her spine when someone may have compromised their values or weakened their values.
Spoiler alert: some accomplished all that without internet. Our schools used conference calls.July 12, 2021 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #1990815
“GH > screaming gevalt about the internet
I felt very uneasy listening such a speech at early COVID that ascribed COVID to too much internet.”
Something I find interesting: I live in a frum community, I interact with frum Jews, I daven in shul, etc. And I come to this site and read what some people say about the frum community, and it just don’t match up. Nobody I know is careening from asifa to asifa looking for the next thing to scream gevalt about, or claiming nevius about Covid in a shiur. I rarely even hear about these things except from the people who are decrying them. What’s up with that? Do people go hunting for these kind of things to have their own things to scream gevalt about? Why?July 12, 2021 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #1990925
this is was said by a couple of Rabonim on the phone. I also do not hear the same from the Rabbis in the community, regardless of their affiliation. Maybe some speak differently when addressing a larger audience.July 12, 2021 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #1990926
> weakened their values.
Is attitude towards internet is really a community “value”. Internet is a protocol. It can lead to dangerous places, sure. You can argue who and when and how should or not using it. but a “value”. So, someone who wanted to learn during pandemic, would have to limit himself to conference calls. What if he wants to look up a sefer that he does not have at home. Should he have a conference call with Ramban?July 12, 2021 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1990927
Avram: The OP was about some Asifah….we haven’t heard about them much for the past 18 months b/c of the Covid restrictions. The last big gathering was not a “gevalt gathering” but that incredible Met Life Stadium daf yomi siyum back on New Years Day 2020 just before the Covid shutdowns. Before that there were several well publicized and reported “internet asifahs”.
P.S. For those who felt “conference calls” were a good substitute for in-person learning or zoom virtual calls, your entitle to your opinion. A properly filtered computer appears to have worked for many frum families and schools without resulting in tens of thousand of kids going OTD or a big spike in divorces because of
frum guys discovering pritzus on the internet.July 12, 2021 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1990941
Bless you for letting me stick with my opinion 🙂
I have no doubt some people did well and i don’t have anything against kosher internet use. I’m just creeped out by the way you drool over the thought of them doing it, as if it’s some kind of a win for you.July 13, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #1990950
Syag: Sorry it upsets you that many kids actually did quite well when introduced to virtual classes and I’m thrilled you are tolerant of “kosher” internet use. It affirms your bona fides as a open-minded, creeped-out but woke observer of the evolving world of frum interaction with the internet in the post-covid era. And yes, I think its a win for all when increasing numbers of young men and women are provided access to the internet under appropriate controls. Within a few years, I’m hopeful even the holdouts will reassess their concerns and you will be reading their posts here in the CRJuly 13, 2021 12:19 am at 12:19 am #1990952
Not at all. And your attempt to inject humor doesn’t hide the disturbing underlying obssession/hyperfocus on the veering of sheltered or careful people from their lifestyle. As if you just can’t untangle yourself. And you can’t let them have their victory. Very sad but moreso creepy. As I’ve said before, so many MO hate with a passion but i would put money on you being otherwise connected.July 13, 2021 10:50 am at 10:50 am #1991058
“Is attitude towards internet is really a community “value”.”
“Internet is a protocol.”
That’s an etymological fallacy. You know well that when people refer to “the Internet” they are talking about the content that’s available via the Internet, not the details of how content is delivered.
“It can lead to dangerous places, sure. You can argue who and when and how should or not using it. but a “value”.”
That’s exactly what’s being argued, and to care about the potential dangers is indeed to have a value, so why the tempest in a teapot?
“So, someone who wanted to learn during pandemic, would have to limit himself to conference calls.”
If he wasn’t willing to open a connection in his home to the Internet, which as you pointed out can lead to dangerous places, then sure.
“What if he wants to look up a sefer that he does not have at home. Should he have a conference call with Ramban?”
How did we get such great gedolim before the Internet, when they surely did not have every sefer in existence at home? How did people who did not use the Internet before Covid solve this problem before Covid? They went to the beis medrash and got the sefer off the shelf. Same thing during Covid.July 13, 2021 10:52 am at 10:52 am #1991053
“this is was said by a couple of Rabonim on the phone. I also do not hear the same from the Rabbis in the community”
I am not denying that such a thing was said by anyone, but when these controversial topics are brought up on the CR, it’s never, “so I was in shul and my rav said…” or “in a shiur, the RY at my yeshiva said…” I doubt Gadolhadorah’s rabbi is screaming gevalt about the Internet, and I’m guessing your rabbi isn’t blaming Covid on people using the Internet for work. It’s always hearsay, or someone who had to go out of his/her way to find it and share it here. I am just wondering what the drive is to become highly learned in all sorts of machlokes or controversy that doesn’t really have a personal impact.July 13, 2021 10:53 am at 10:53 am #1991052
“…the disturbing underlying obssession/hyperfocus on the veering of sheltered or careful people from their lifestyle. As if you just can’t untangle yourself. And you can’t let them have their victory…”
You miss the point entirely. Some have had their victory by finding a balanced way of maintaining their lifestyle while simultaneously using the normal advancements of society to improve the lives of themselves and their families in the same way our people have done for thousands of years. Even the most ardent, machmir chareidim don’t live today in the same way our forefather did in the time of the avos/emahos but have carefully selected those elements of modern technology and services that they (with the advice of dass torah) believe are consistent with their views of halacha and their haskafah. I don’t recall seeing any of the rabbonim coming to the Asefas riding a donkey on the NJ turnpike nor do I recall their objecting to using a sound amplification system rather than yelling at the tops of their voices about the evils of the internet etc. As I noted earlier, your entitled to your wrong opinion about trends in adopting technology and economic (versus cultural) integration in the Charedi tzibur as am I except I don’t find your views “creepy”, just a bit parochial.July 13, 2021 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1991066
I didn’t miss the point at all. And you are way off regarding my personal views on the matter. My comment/complaint is about how degrading you are toward THEIR chosen path and how closely you monitor/pray for/encourage and celebrate the idea of them loosening THEIR rules. Why the focus on lives so very far and unrelated to yours? Unless, of course, they aren’t.
(This is not just from this thread but from many of your posts across many threads and years. And some hair raising ones from the non moderated news page)July 13, 2021 11:05 am at 11:05 am #1991065
“The OP was about some Asifah….”
And the OP is included in my question.
“The last big gathering was not a “gevalt gathering” but that incredible Met Life Stadium daf yomi siyum back on New Years Day 2020 just before the Covid shutdowns.”
Right, but in “CR” parlance, asifa specifically means a gevalt gathering.
“Before that there were several well publicized and reported “internet asifahs”.”
I recall one that was well publicized. And the derision towards the event and the misrepresentation of it by those who did not go nor hold by the rabbeim in attendance seemed to spill far more ink. I’m just wondering why that is.
“P.S. For those who felt “conference calls” were a good substitute for in-person learning or zoom virtual calls, your entitle to your opinion.”
Why on earth would you put Zoom classes into the same category as in-person? Do you think the Zoom classes held by schools were an adequate substitute for their in-person classes? I think education was devastated last year.
“A properly filtered computer appears to have worked for many frum families and schools without resulting in tens of thousand of kids going OTD or a big spike in divorces”
Did you conduct a poll? B”H I’ve not heard of an increase in divorces, but struggles with kids’ education and computer use? Absolutely.July 13, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1991073
“I don’t recall seeing any of the rabbonim coming to the Asefas riding a donkey on the NJ turnpike nor do I recall their objecting to using a sound amplification system rather than yelling at the tops of their voices about the evils of the internet etc”
This is the same fallacy that Always_Ask_Questions expressed above. Do you think the objections to the Internet are because it uses electricity, or routers, servers, and Linux? No, it’s the content that’s available via the Internet. If someone published books with some good stories mixed in with highly objectionable material, and rabbis exhorted families to not bring those books into their homes, would you say that rabbis objected to reading?July 13, 2021 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1991180
I heard this talk myself firsthand online, I am ashamed to say.
>> Do you think the Zoom classes held by schools were an adequate substitute for their in-person classes? I think education was devastated last year.
Many zoom classes were not good. Same as, to go with GH examples, a donkey driver had hard time feeding barley to his first car. You need to know what you are doing. Especially when both teachers and students are not bakiim and there is no computer support, the result will be sub-optimal.
Real online schools do not have all classes on zoom. They have some classes live through systems that do not distract when students log in (or not), and then they have online curriculum and list of materials you can access and tests, many with automatic grading. Types of classes and tests are structured into several types and kids learn to navigate and know what to expect – which tests just check what you remember from the class, others have harder problems and larger part of the grade.July 13, 2021 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #1991227
“I heard this talk myself firsthand online, I am ashamed to say. “
What drew you to tune into that particular talk?
“Many zoom classes were not good.”
Even if all the technical details were pulled off well, spending much of the day on Zoom is not optimal. I work remotely and more than an hour spent in virtual meetings in a work day becomes a tircha. Hence, as you said below, real online schools do not make Zoom classes the ikar. But the brick and mortar schools did not have the ability or resources to convert instantaneously into online schools.July 13, 2021 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #1991243
Avrum can correct me if I’m wrong but i took his post to mean something additional.
People outside are making lots of claims about what is going on in our communities and not only are those claims heresay, but they actually aren’t happening. I thought the mention of not hearing it first hand in the actual communities was because it isn’t happening there. Most of it is poor renditions of things people outside the community like to say (fabricate? Take out of context?) about us – more formally called lashon horaJuly 13, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1991295
> What drew you to tune into that particular talk?
I wanted to hear Talmidei Chachamim opinion about the pandemic, as advertised. I was not looking specifically for hizuk on internet issues.
> brick and mortar schools did not have the ability or resources to convert instantaneously into online schools.
If they would have been slightly creative, they could have. There are a lot of online resources available. Schools could have outsourced to the experts, for example. I hear Florida virtual school, for example, outsources their curriculum to other states. There are also lots of specialized sites on specific subjects that online schools bundle. One of the Jewish schools my kids attended gave group subscription to some of the math/English sites and gave homework from there.
I asked my local rep to allow increased enrollment into online public school as an emergency, and he first was interested but then said “there is local opposition” … instead director of the online school gave a couple of talks to the local districts. One irony, shortly before the pandemic, one of the schools was, Baruch Hashem, not interested in one of my kids because he, inter alia, attended online school for half a year, which the principal persisted calling “home schooling” despite all the info I gave him. I did not hear him giving tuition discounts, though, when his students were “home schooled” over the phone.July 13, 2021 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1991300
My daughter who was “home schooled over the phone” as you have dubbed it was listening to her teaches teaching class on the same schedule as in person. They prepared and taught, while managing their own kids, and should definitely be paid for it. Additionally, they prepared weeks worth of sources/handouts and we picked them up from the parking lot, exchanging it for homework and tests.
Almost every packet contained a treat and a project. I was thoroughly surprised and impressed.
My sons yeshivas did english on zoom or through the same portal they used in yeshiva. Other sons yeshivos gave shiur by phone and they had chavrusas by phone as well.
Pretty good for disorganized archaic inflexible orthodox people, no?July 13, 2021 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1991296
> Lots of claims about what is going on in our communities and not only are those claims heresay, but they actually aren’t happening
if this refers to my post, I heard it with my own ears and I was not searching for it. If you do not hear ot in your shuls, maybe you are also an outsider and are not privy to these Roshei Yeshovos 🙂 [you always claim that your community is “actual” and others are not somehow]July 13, 2021 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #1991306
I am absolutely an outsider to tristate, MO, chassidish, and chabad communities. But you were referencing my community. And you speak of them as they. So therefore, because i am responding to you, i use your setup. If you wanted to disparge your own community i would word it differently.July 14, 2021 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1991313
Syag > Pretty good for disorganized archaic inflexible orthodox people, no?
I am glad to hear this. If you re-read my post, I was quoting a school head who called full-time online program “home schooling”, and then turned around and provided the same himself. We all are not perfect and need to carefully see whether our positions are driven by objective information and not self-serving.July 14, 2021 9:30 am at 9:30 am #1991403
“not only are those claims heresay, but they actually aren’t happening. I thought the mention of not hearing it first hand in the actual communities was because it isn’t happening there.”
Yes, such as characterizing the “big” internet asifa a number of years ago as “the rabbis banning the Internet”, which it was not. But sometimes it’s not fabricating, but rather a matter of ayin ra, like taking the content of a shiur, or something a rav says, and running it through a negativity filter. Or becoming well versed in all of the machlokes of the bnei Yisroel. We shouldn’t be looking at our tents with Bilaam’s eyes. When I was new to a particular community, a new friend I made said something disparaging about a big rav in the community – that his drashos were fire and brimstone and he didn’t care to hear them. As much as I try to not accept lashon hara, this statement did unfortunately affect my opinion of the rav, until I got a chance to actually listen to a bunch of his drashos and ask him a shaila. Lo and behold, he never brought up gehennom or called us horrible sinners or anything like that. He spoke passionately about how important Torah learning and mitzvos were, and exhorted us to do more, without sugarcoating things. And he answered my shaila with warmth and a twinkle of humor.July 14, 2021 10:39 am at 10:39 am #1991425
“I wanted to hear Talmidei Chachamim opinion about the pandemic, as advertised. I was not looking specifically for hizuk on internet issues.”
Was the entire shiur about the Internet? And what was the exact context regarding the Internet and Covid?
“If they would have been slightly creative, they could have.”
Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and it’s a lot easier to say what should be done than to try and do something.
“There are a lot of online resources available. Schools could have outsourced to the experts, for example.”
Such things cost money, and to outsource would likely mean letting some staff go, and on-the-fly retraining of the remaining staff to work with the online programs. And all the students would need access to computers and the Internet, which is not the case in many communities. Also, nobody knew how long the lockdowns would last; the goalposts kept getting moved on us, and what many thought was a temporary situation dragged on and on.
“one of the schools was, Baruch Hashem, not interested in one of my kids because he, inter alia, attended online school for half a year, which the principal persisted calling “home schooling” despite all the info I gave him.”
Why would a school not accept a child because he was homeschooled for half a year? That makes no sense.July 14, 2021 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1991788Sam KleinParticipant
Their having another Asifa tomorrow Thursday July 15th at the same location as last time for the same topic of those interested in moving to EYJuly 14, 2021 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #1991814
> Was the entire shiur about the Internet?
no, discussion was about covid in general, this was just a couple of weeks in, and one speaker, out of 3, I think, focused on Hashem’s sending us message re: Internet sins, and another mentioning it in part. I think 1 of the 3 speakers, sadly, later passed away from COVID, I am not 100% sure if I recall correctly.
> Hindsight is 20/20 as they say, and it’s a lot easier to say what should be done than to try and do something.
I myself could have done more, of course, but I set my family studying fine and distributed info about online resources and helped a school both setting up schools and COVID safety. Many other people acted too. The issue was reasonably clear. And as Syag mentioned, there were a lot of dedicated teachers who spent a lot of time and effort.
> Such things cost money, and to outsource would likely mean letting some staff go
This is a valid point. And this is where we get lost same way as public school unions – are schools for teachers or for kids. If kids were in dire situation, everything should have been done to help them. This is halakha – we allow unlimited competition between teachers, contrary to other businesses where livelihood of store owners is a valid consideration.
> Why would a school not accept a child
a long story that I partly discussed here before. Same as you mentioned above – if school let’s someone do something against their general policy, then they will be under pressure from other parents to allow something similar that might benefit kids, but will make life difficult for the school.July 15, 2021 6:26 am at 6:26 am #1991853Sam KleinParticipant
Wednesday, July 14, 2021
Second Asifa for Kiryas Lakewood – Akko
A second follow up asifa is scheduled in Lakewood tomorrow evening for American Youngeleit looking to establish a Torah community in Eretz Yisrael in the city of Acco. See video below of the first meeting in LakewoodJuly 19, 2021 11:21 am at 11:21 am #1992842
“this is where we get lost same way as public school unions – are schools for teachers or for kids. If kids were in dire situation, everything should have been done to help them.”
Nobody knew how long the lockdowns would last, because the goalposts kept moving back. Gutting a school’s experienced staff when the students might have been returning to in-person classes fairly soon might not have been a good idea – the repercussions to learning would have been longer lasting than what many thought was going to be a few weeks to months of remote learning. And what about everything else I wrote?
“This is halakha – we allow unlimited competition between teachers, contrary to other businesses where livelihood of store owners is a valid consideration.”
The halacha is dependent on a large number of variables, and the psak for one school or community may be very different than the psak for another.July 20, 2021 7:21 am at 7:21 am #1993033
> Gutting a school’s experienced staff when the students might have been returning to in-person classes fairly soon might not have been a good idea
Not suggesting gutting staff, but if you concur that there were better educational options that were not applied in consideration for staff, a better solution would have been to let teachers collect unemployment for a couple of months till summer and then later possibly join a quality online program with your staff. this is sort yom sheni boker quarterbacking, it is of course time of uncertainty. I specifically refer to my discussion with a local lawmaker – I gave him a very clear picture what needs to be done, it was pretty simple, he bought into that, and had to back up due to people who care about their money more than what the kids learn. There are often such illuminating cases in messy life, like greenees who cry wolf but would not accept nuclear energy in order to save Florida from sinking into the ocean.July 20, 2021 7:42 am at 7:42 am #1993075
AAQ- there are holes in your solutions and there are holes in your assessment of the problem. I was thinking of responding to them but i notice a pattern here. You come up with what you see are wonderful solutions and when someone doesn’t follow it they are wrong, don’t value education, value money more than their children etc. Did it ever occur to you that you may just be wrong? Maybe your idea sounds great based on your assessments but you assessed wrong? Maybe you don’t seem willing/able to reframe your views but you are so sincere that the person respectfully hears you out but needs to go a different way.
I know that it has happened here so many times with various posters but you walk away deciding you were right and everyone else is just stubborn.
Not in all topics obviously, and like i said i don’t find any ill intent. I mistook it for gaava when we first “met” but i hear your sincerity in pushing your view and i witness you being unable to process the other view point. Unfortunately, instead of being willing to agree to disagree, your take away is that you are right, and nobody else has their priorities straight.July 20, 2021 3:39 pm at 3:39 pm #1993178
“but if you concur that there were better educational options that were not applied in consideration for staff, a better solution would have been to let teachers collect unemployment for a couple of months till summer and then later possibly join a quality online program with your staff.”
I do not concur. In my original response and follow-ups I made several interrelated points in response to your idea to rapidly deploy online schooling. Instead of responding directly to them you have applied a false dilemma to one of them and want to make the conversation about nothing but that.
How will a school deploy online learning to a student body that largely lacks internet connected devices or even an internet connection at home? And libraries and other places with public WiFi are closed.
Online learning is independently driven, but children still require considerable oversight to help manage and organize their tasks. You can’t just throw them in front of a Chromebook in September and say, “see you in June!” Who will perform this oversight? If teachers, they will need training (assuming they are still employed). If parents, what if they need to work?
What if schools were able to reopen much more quickly than they did, and resources have been spent to stand up online programs?
I’m not saying schools made the best or correct decisions at every step, or that online schooling solutions wouldn’t have helped, but I do not think you have magic answers, even on the Monday morning after the game.
“I gave him a very clear picture what needs to be done, it was pretty simple, he bought into that, and had to back up due to people who care about their money more than what the kids learn.”
Did he tell you that directly, or are you assuming that?July 20, 2021 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1993233
Avrum – thank you
AAQ – I have another great idea for the schools to do. They started meeting in person with masks and social distancing right from the start in September. No zoom, no online, no firing people. Actually putting the health of the children before the whims of various adults. It prevented losing more than just those two three months of school and before you open your mouth with curses, BH NOT ONE CASUALTY. Which just proves that it was the right decision, anything less would have been forfeiting children’s health and well being, and putting the children at the bottom of the agenda.
Side point (cuz I know you don’t like when reality proves you wrong so I’ll give you a distraction to focus on instead) I have done several online schools with my kids or clients for different reasons. Both Jewish and not jewish programs. In a word, they stink. If you don’t have someone standing there with you, or if you don’t happen to be one of the 20% (assumed figure) who can maneuver it alone it isn’t really any kind of option at all.July 20, 2021 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #1993239
> How will a school deploy online learning to a student body that largely lacks internet connected devices or even an internet connection at home?
A good question … Many cities provided funding for laptops and internet.
> You can’t just throw them in front of a Chromebook
> If parents, what if they need to work?
I do not deny the challenge. I am just saying that one would need to start with existing resources.
Online schools have systems that allow parents easy view of what was done and what will be done. There is also a councilor that looks at all grades and talks to each kid for 15 minutes weekly to make sure kids are on target. Many of the quick tests are multiple-choice and both the kid and you get answers immediately. So, you can quickly see what is going on and the kid knows that too.
From our perspective, ability to monitor classes is a great way that allows using this great public resource. For example, one woke teacher used an anti-Israeli material instead of a standard one. It was “balanced” – an anti-Jewish Pali article was balanced with an anti-Jewish Israeli article … So, we learned the sugya in depth, brought all other materials, and discussed what motivated the teacher to show material like that, etc. Even in good Jewish schools, you may not have such blatant stuff, but there will be lots of narishkeit in general studies [of course, some would say – why social studies].
Another useful trick – sign kids for hard online classes, so that they’ll require your help. If you know the stuff, you can direct them and connect general studies with the Jewish POV. If you don’t, you can bond by studying together.July 20, 2021 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1993255
@Syag, why bother AAQ with to use Al Gore’s term “the inconvinent truth”. such as he claimed people died in the three shuls that I belonged to that reopend in May of 2020, when in fact no one died.
Who needs facts when you can just make up stuff as you go alongJuly 20, 2021 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #1993283
> Did he tell you that directly, or are you assuming that?
I applaud you going for primary sources. response from the state Edu committee staffer forwarded to me by another staffer:: as the funding will go from districts, depending how it will be handled, could face resistance from the local level (and not just from teachers).
This was early in the pandemic, there is more activity in many states this year. I hear that Florida Virtual School franchises their online system to other states.
for now, some states have state online schools that, as mentioned above, are seen as competition for funds with local money pits. A promising trend seems to create virtual schools per district, i.e. money do not leave the district.July 20, 2021 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1993311
“Who needs facts when you can just make up stuff as you go along..”
Absolutely correct. This was the Trump Doctrine as articulated by Kellyanne Conway when confronted with Press Secretary Sean Spicer’s breathtaking lie about the size of the crowd at Trump’s 2016 inauguration on the Mall where he insisted it was the largest crowd in history (assuming you included all those watching on Fox News in Belarus). As explained by Kellyanne: “We are entitled to use our alternative facts”.July 20, 2021 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1993323
@GH, sorry that stuff was yesterdays news, or to be exact 5 years ago newsJuly 20, 2021 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1993325
GH-Oh Baruch Hashem! I am SOOO glad you mentioned trump even in this irrelevant manner. I was starting to worry that you may have been ch”v losing your faculties.July 20, 2021 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #1993326
AAQ – Lets put this into your type of language. the virtual learning was necessary from after Pesach until summer vacation. Any virtual learning after that (unless homeschooling) was for people willing to abandon their children’s emotional and developmental health for the sake of politics and psychotic parents. Any who continued to keep a healthy child on zoom beyond summer 2020 had no interest in what was best for their children to the point of possible negligence.July 20, 2021 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1993337
Syag, as I described, my kids bli ayin hara doing great in online programs. And they are much more friends to each other. And it is much better to spend quality learning time with kids instead of having discussions with teachers, driving them, reminding them to do homework that someone else assigned…the only difficult issue was with kids concerned how others will view them, but covid solved that.
And again, this is not zoom, this is well organized program that fosters independent learning skills
We only do zoom for my endless business meetings, daf yomi, and when my kids run educational programs for younger kids.July 20, 2021 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #1993347
AAQ – I have no doubt that your kids are doing well homeschooling thru online programs, it is obviously something into which you have invested a lot of time and energy and commitment.. I have not found the other line programs to be useful for anyone but myself so if it is working for you and your kids count your blessings.
Problem for me is instead of you insisting on a total online Internet revamp in the schools for the sake of expanding the covid-19 epidemic, possibly supports your personal and political views. I don’t understand why you will not accept and acknowledge the return to the classroom of most of the bais yakov schools was the right move. You can see it worked out well, why can’t you acknowledge that and say perhaps you were wrong about the need to lock the kids up longer? Or that you are glad it worked and everyone was safe because you weren’t expecting that. Why no flexibility on this when the facts don’t add up in your favor?
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