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May 12, 2026 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #2547825RockyParticipant
It seems that two Rabbanim in Lakewood have put out a letter telling people not to patronize a burger restaurant in Toms River, NJ beacuse it “has an environment that adds to the degrading of accepted boundaries.” It seems they are referring to Jewish children who hang out there. I have seen quite a stir in which most people are lambasting the Rabbanim for small-mindedness and intolerance to elements of our community that don’t “fit the box”.
Discuss.
May 12, 2026 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #2548417HaKatanParticipant@Rocky:
Why would you be machshil people in dishonoring those rabbanim?That call doesn’t show intolerance of anyone. They presumably fully sympathize with those suffering souls, as everyone should.
However, given the “facts on the ground” at that establishment, they don’t want frum people going there.May 12, 2026 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #2548430RockyParticipantI think people are able to respectfully disagree with any Rav, especially if the Rabbanim are making a public statement.
I think people who disagree with the “psak” sympathize with the suffering souls in a practical way. They are saying that “isn’t it better that people hang out at a kosher establishment vs. a non-kosher one?
Also, what needs to be established is what exactly the danger is of frum people seeing struggling teens? Is it contagious?
May 12, 2026 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #2548463commonsaychelParticipantI have a theory that the majority of cheesecake bought for shavuos ends up in the garbage (and hence eaten by the local squirrels-or whatever your local animals are). People get all excited about keeping the minhag and ended up buying, making or getting gifts of cheesecake for much more than is able to be consumed. Also,most people end up eating more fleishig than milchig meals (especially this year with one day shabbos) and hence the opportunities to consume all the cheesecake are quite limited.
May 12, 2026 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #2548532Ari KnoblerParticipantFunny how two rabbis can publicly damage a fellow Jew’s livelihood with vague phrases like “degrading boundaries,” yet never specify a single illegal act, kashrus issue, or actual aveirah taking place there.
A burger shop where teenagers hang out is now treated like Sodom? Since when did a few kids eating fries and talking become a communal emergency worthy of public blacklisting?
And did anyone bother speaking privately to the owner first before trying to economically strangle his business in public?
People are tired of this vague, insinuating style of public shaming. If there’s a real problem, say what it is plainly. If not, this just looks like small-minded social policing dressed up as righteousness.
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