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  • #618959

    Ferd
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    This video has gone viral, and the woman actually requested it get published everywhere so that people should know her outrage.

    http://www.viewpure.com/IK4axB7aTr0

    #1208487

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Not sure what her point is, There is a large very nice shopping mall in Freehold and there are alot of large Stores in Toms River and there is also a large mall in Monmouth Mall

    All are very close to lakewood, All she is doing is causing people to travel 10-15 mins away and giving the money to Goyish businesses

    #1208488

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    Someone from Lakewood “IHR HATORAH” (in her words) wants something posted on the Web? Does anyone know where this mall is supposed to be built?

    #1208489

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    She will lose to Cedarbridge Development LLC and the Rosh Yeshiva of BMG, HaRav HaGaon RKBH Aaron Kotler Shlitah.

    #1208490

    Yankelle
    Participant

    its no nice to post this she is clearly not ok r’l.

    #1208491

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Whether or not we agree with her, she does sound sincere. I give her credit for standing up for her views.

    And I can hear her point, although if I still lived in Lakewood, I would be very happy about a mall personally. When the first pizza place was going to open in Lakewood, Rebbetzin Rischel Kotler, a”h was very upset about it and put a stop to it.

    So she’s not coming from nowhere, whether others agree with her views or not.

    #1208492

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Someone from Lakewood “IHR HATORAH” (in her words) wants something posted on the Web”

    I don’t see a problem with that. She knows people are online anyhow, and those are the very people she wants to send this message to. And if you are going to be watching something online, this is pretty harmless.

    #1208493

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD,

    You clearly do not know the layout of Lakewood if you do not know what her issues are.

    In addition, the stores that will be at the mall are likely big box stores and will impact the Jewish stores.

    #1208494

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    GAW,

    Apparently you do not know who this woman is.

    #1208495

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    GAW,

    Apparently you do not know who this woman is.

    No clue. Mind enlightening us?

    #1208496

    lesschumras
    Participant

    What was her point? Are her children being bussed to a mall?

    #1208497

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    There are plenty of stores on Route 9 and when I drove down it a couple of month ago there seemed to be some empty ones as well that could be taken over.

    And I saw quite a few frum people at both Freehold Mall and Mounmouth Mall

    #1208498

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    LU: While I agree that it is pretty harmless, it might violate the passuk of Kol Kevuda Bas Melech Penimah. (Tehillim 45)

    My thoughts exactly

    #1208499

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    GAW,

    I do mind, because I do not know if she does want her name included here.

    And I can say I wouldn’t blame her.

    LC,

    The issue is that right in the middle of a very congested area there are plans to develop a huge mall (50 acres, with almost 900 parking slots. 13 large stores). The infra structure cannot support so much additional traffic. It is not just off a major highway. It is off of two lane through streets. Or something like CIA for Cedarbridge.

    The original plan was for corporate buildings, which would not generate nearly the same volume of traffic.

    #1208500

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    ZD,

    So what are you saying? So there are frum Yodden at those malls? Fine. How does that make this area appropriate for a huge mall?

    I can’t figure out what point you are attempting to make.

    Try focusing less on how you feel about him and it will clear your mind a bit for the interpretation

    #1208501

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I do mind, because I do not know if she does want her name included here.

    And I can say I wouldn’t blame her.

    So why do you think that she can go against the wishes of the Gedolim and BMG?

    #1208502

    Joseph
    Participant

    There’s no valid reason to assume she wants or asked that this video either be taken or published. Her comments were intended for the developers only.

    #1208503

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    The issue is that right in the middle of a very congested area there are plans to develop a huge mall (50 acres, with almost 900 parking slots. 13 large stores). The infra structure cannot support so much additional traffic. It is not just off a major highway. It is off of two lane through streets. Or something like CIA for Cedarbridge.

    Thats not what she said in the video. she said lakewood ihr Hatorah is a makom where people moved to avoid this.

    She acted like it was a religious issue, not a infrastructure issue

    #1208505

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Joseph, the OP said she wanted it publicized

    Nisht, what confused me was that her objections involved a reduction in ruchniyos and her kids religious environment. The congestion issues you raised are valid but she didn’t raise it except to say her kids would be playing in the parking lot

    #1208506

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Joseph, the OP said she wanted it publicized”

    I actually was wondering about this point. Originally, I just took his words at face value, but then I started wondering: How do we know for a fact that she wants this video publicized? What is the OP basing that on? How does he know this? And even if he does, are we allowed to assume that it is so?

    #1208508

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Rosh Yeshiva of BMG, HaRav HaGaon RKBH Aaron Kotler Shlitah.”

    R’ Aaron Kotler is not the Rosh Yeshiva.

    What does RKBH stand for?

    #1208509

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    LC,

    Her concerns were that they are building this mall almost immediately opposite where she lives.

    I will acknowledge that I did not listen to every word that the woman said. But I do know what the sentiments and frustrations of the people who live in that area are.

    SO yes, she is worried about a mall opening across the street from her and that will result in her grandkids “playing” in the mall “parking” lot. Which will extend to the front of her house because of all the resulting congestion.

    #1208511

    why wasn’t my post put up? it was all the honest truth.

    as i wrote i’m ashamed of my dishonest & corrupt brethren & the chillul Hashem they are making. but now i see that even YWN is corrupt cause you have not posted my letter when everything was %100 the truth

    if YWN ever wants to do teshuva then post my previous letter & show Hashem that you are honest

    Lakewood is heading towards Ramapo NY R”L

    We do not post lashon hora, even if it is true, and certainly not motzi shem ra.

    #1208512

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    If one did not see the video, then one cannot comment on it

    #1208513

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Her concerns were that they are building this mall almost immediately opposite where she lives.

    I will acknowledge that I did not listen to every word that the woman said. But I do know what the sentiments and frustrations of the people who live in that area are.

    SO yes, she is worried about a mall opening across the street from her and that will result in her grandkids “playing” in the mall “parking” lot. Which will extend to the front of her house because of all the resulting congestion.”

    It really sounded to me like that wasn’t her issue at all. Her issue was that the Ruchnius of her grandchildren will be affected. She kept talking about how “is this what I’ve been supporting my children in Kollel for? So that my grandchildren will hang out in the mall” (not an exact quote, but the gist of what I remember from when I listened earlier).

    She or her husband even said something about how the parking is not the issue.

    #1208514

    Joseph
    Participant

    I’m confident the woman didn’t want to be videotaped, didn’t want the video published and only intended her comments for the developer.

    #1208515

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I listened again. She states very clearly that her issue is not the parking ; it’s the ruchniyus. There is also no mention that she wanted to be videotaped or wanted this online. She does say that she would be happy if it got in the newspapers, but that is not the same thing.

    #1208518

    Health
    Participant

    LU -“Her issue was that the Ruchnius of her grandchildren will be affected”

    If she really cared about the Ruchnius of people living here already, why did she move here?

    This whole town has become one little NY.

    So she and the others from NY, shouldn’t complain when they actually want to build a mall here – this is part of living in NY.

    I like all these people that are in their dream world that Lakewood is different than anywhere else!

    Maybe it was – around 25 – 30 years ago.

    #1208520

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    The OP states that the video has gone “viral”. I don’t think 500 views in 2 days is “viral”.

    #1208521

    glad to know that YWN MODS admit they are corrupt but sad that now you have brought tragedy upon yourselves after being warned in the name of Hashem to do teshuva & return to honesty.

    soon you will be crying out to Hashem begging to stop these tragedies in your families R”L. YOU CAUSED THIS UPON YOURSELF & WERE WARNED A FEW TIMES

    may you finally wake up to teshuva & return to %100 honesty in your work & everything

    Sam, cursing the families of the mods because they deleted your posts isindefensible. You have extended your ranting, which you somehow claim to be in the name of Hashem, too far. Get yourself some help.

    #1208522

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    “Rosh Yeshiva of BMG, HaRav HaGaon RKBH Aaron Kotler Shlitah.”

    R’ Aaron Kotler is not the Rosh Yeshiva.

    What does RKBH stand for?

    Rosh Kol Benei HaGolah. He is the head of the largest Yeshiva in Chutz L’Aretz.

    And he is the Rosh Yeshiva. Says so on all the documents. Rav Aaron Kotler, CEO. CEO (in America) means he is in charge, no matter who gives or doesn’t give shiur.

    #1208523

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    She does say that she would be happy if it got in the newspapers, but that is not the same thing.

    While calling newspapers and tv/radio stations is one way to spread news. It many times isnt that successful especially since newspapers are dying

    If you really want to spread the word about something , you need it to go viral, especially since here it seems to be a dispute more than anything

    #1208524

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    ZD – that may very well be, but that still doesn’t mean that she wants a video of herself on the internet.

    #1208525

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    GAW- to the best of my knowledge, CEO does not mean Rosh Yeshiva. I lived in Lakewood for a few years, and I never heard anyone refer to him as Rosh Yeshiva before.

    #1208526

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    LU, I agree with you, and I was going to correct him and present the names of the actual roshei yeshiva, but then I thought that maybe GAW was being sarcastic.

    #1208527

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    GAW- to the best of my knowledge, CEO does not mean Rosh Yeshiva. I lived in Lakewood for a few years, and I never heard anyone refer to him as Rosh Yeshiva before.

    His title is CEO. Although there are four other Rabbonim who are given the meaningless title of “Rosh Yeshiva”, the actual Rosh Yeshiva (as in the head of the BMG Yeshiva, the largest in CHUL) is HaRav HaGaon Aaron Kotler Shlitah. CEO is above those titled “Rosh Yeshiva”.

    LU, I agree with you, and I was going to correct him and present the names of the actual roshei yeshiva, but then I thought that maybe GAW was being sarcastic.

    I am not.

    #1208528

    feivel
    Participant

    although previously i felt the kanois of MA was a useful counterweight to the deeply ingrained goyish perspective so ubiquitous here, at this point it is clear to me that his presence should no longer be tolerated.

    #1208529

    chizuk1
    Participant

    600 views is “viral” now? Wow.

    #1208530

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    When it was originally posted it was only around 100 views. Maybe for Lakewood that is considered “viral”.

    #1208531

    jewishness
    Participant

    Many comments are badly mistaken. Yes, the video posted was about her being upset about the ruchinyos element. She is afraid that a mall may turn into a hang out etc. She left New York because of the city environment, she’s afraid for his grandkids etc.

    However, she is absolutely worried about the gashmiyas element, i.e. traffic, noise pollution and ruination of serene atmosphere and quality of life. If you watch her presentation to the board (you can find it online – I wont link to it) she was very adamant about that. And that argument would be agreed to by probably almost everyone in Lakewood who does not have an ulterior motive. Rt. 9 traffic is at a standstill because of the board granting permission to builders. Pine street is extremely backlogged. She said that at this point she would rather walk to route 9 (ten minute walk or so) than drive…she spoke about killing the serene neighborhood with huge commercial building. These are very reasonable arguments that many neighbors throughout America would make, Jewish or not.

    Regarding Ruchniyus, personally I get where she is coming from, although I can also hear another angle. It’s debatable…but yes she make a big deal about the ruination in terms of overbuilding, congestion, and quality of life. And I can not imagine an honest argument to the contrary.

    #1208532

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    She said that at this point she would rather walk to route 9 (ten minute walk or so) than drive…she spoke about killing the serene neighborhood with huge commercial building. These are very reasonable arguments that many neighbors throughout America would make, Jewish or not.

    Regarding Ruchniyus, personally I get where she is coming from, although I can also hear another angle. It’s debatable…but yes she make a big deal about the ruination in terms of overbuilding, congestion, and quality of life. And I can not imagine an honest argument to the contrary.

    It will make money for Yeshivos, specifically BMG. If she doesn’t like that she can leave for somewhere nicer that is “out of town”.

    #1208533

    Joseph
    Participant

    I don’t see how the yeshiva profits from the development.

    #1208534

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    From this video, it was extremely clear that her main issue was the ruchniyus. Someone (her husband?) clearly said that parking was not the main issue. I believe that she said that it was one-tenth of the issue.

    Maybe in another presentation, she focused on the gashmius because she thought they would be more likely to hear that. When people are fighting against something, they often use the argument that the other person is most likely to understand and listen to even if it’s not the main issue (as long as it is also a real issue).

    “It will make money for Yeshivos, specifically BMG. If she doesn’t like that she can leave for somewhere nicer that is “out of town”.”

    She has a right to try to fight it and try to have Lakewood stay the same. Especially if her issue is Ruchnius. She moved to Lakewood because Lakewood is a certain type of place, and she has a right to try to fight its changing. It’s not so easy to move at this age, her children and grandchildren are there, and I don’t think there is any other place in the US that is similar to Lakewood.

    I don’t know if I agree or not, but I definitely understand her point. I think that if she feels this strongly about it, she should speak to the Roshei Yeshiva and let them know how she feels and see how they respond.

    I am kind of curious as to how they responded/will respond.

    #1208535

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I don’t see how the yeshiva profits from the development.

    Its very expensive to run a yeshiva of that size and there is only so much money that can be obtained from geverim. You need to have a source of income to help pay the expenses. There are plenty of shuls, yeshivas eta that own real estate or other busineses

    #1208536

    golfer
    Participant

    This thread is just bizarre.

    On so many levels.

    I have a few questions for the lady in the video.

    The questions come from a neighboring thread featured here today called, “This generation vs former generations”.

    Dear Lady in the video,

    Where did your great grandmothers live?

    Were they from Lodz or Sanz or Satmar?

    Did they come from Brisk or Baranovitch or Slabodka?

    Were they from Hamburg or Vienna or Strasbourg?

    Did they live in Meknes or Djerba or Halab?

    Or did they hail from East New York or the Lower East Side or Baltimore?

    How do you think they would have spoken and behaved in public, among men, some of their own faith and some not?

    #1208537

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I don’t see how the yeshiva profits from the development.

    The land belongs to the Yeshiva’s Cedarbridge Development LLC.

    #1208538

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    She has a right to try to fight it and try to have Lakewood stay the same.

    Sure, free speech and all that, but it isn’t “following the Gedolim”.

    #1208539

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    1. We don’t know what the Gedolim said about this.

    2. Even if the Gedolim gave their approval (which we don’t know), I’m sure they never said that this has to happen or that someone is not allowed to protest.

    3. She certainly has a right to speak to Roshei Yeshiva about it and express her opinion.

    #1208540

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Golfer – there may be people reading this who know who she is, so you should be careful what you write. (I’m just pointing this out to you because I know you are very ehrlich)

    #1208541

    jakob
    Participant

    joseph

    the BMG yeshiva is behind the deal of cedarbridge LLC & makes alot of money off of it. getting the land from lakewood township for only pennies of what its really worth

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