January 17, 2016 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #617076
What are the pro and cons of each, comparatively, for either renting or purchasing a home? And how do both compare to Brooklyn?
A partial list of factors to consider are religious accommodations, shuls, yeshivos, bais yaakovs, access to rabbonim, kosher food, pricing, cost of living for frum families, friends, family, access to transportation, employment opportunities, salaries, commuting times, size of homes, cost/rent of homes, municipal services, public parks, entertainment, taxes, safety and other pro or cons that come to mind.January 17, 2016 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #1132924
And the comparative tuition between the different towns, of course.January 17, 2016 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #1132925
IDK about everything, but I’m sure housing is cheaper here & it’s very hard to get your kids into school.January 17, 2016 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1132926
Health: You live in Lakewood, correct?January 17, 2016 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #1132927fathousewifeParticipant
DO NOT MOVE TO MONSEY WITHOUT SCHOOLS FOR YOUR CHILDREN. Schools are legit overloaded.January 17, 2016 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #1132928555Participant
What type of yeshiva do you plan to send your kids to? would you prefer to daven in a Chassidic shul or litvish or neither?
What are you trying to dig at?January 18, 2016 2:39 am at 2:39 am #1132929
(Mostly Monsey here, as it’s where I live 🙂 )
Schooling is hard in both places. The more on the modern side you get the easier it is, but even so, even the more moderate yeshivish places, like YSV, are very crowded (there is a freeze on the number of classes in the boys’ school, and it’s mostly siblings and children of alumni). The chassidish places are apparently impossible.
Home prices depend on the neighborhood. I know little about Lakewood, but in Monsey, housing has been getting more and more expensive, especially in the main areas. Home prices on my block, for example, have quite literally tripled over the last fifteen years. In some areas they’ve quadrupled. If being near shopping and many minyanim is important to you, be prepared to shell out. There are outlying neighborhoods which are cheaper, though, so if that’s an option for you, look into it. House sizes depend a bit on the neighborhoods, but there can also be a variety of sizes in the same neighborhood, depending on when it was built- some blocks are developments, some are older…
Commuting times to where? Monsey is doable to Manhattan, Lakewood is much farther.
I believe that you need cars for both. Monsey has very limited public transportation largely dependent on neighborhood- there are several areas where public transportation is a reasonably viable option, but it’s really not common.
Monsey’s also very safe. (Ramapo was the second safest town in the country in 2011!) There has recently been some crime, but it’s still bH very rare.
We’ve got public parks, decent (if crowded) infrastructure, mandated school busing, the Palisades Mall, some nice new restaurants… it’s a cool place 🙂January 18, 2016 5:48 am at 5:48 am #1132930
Joe -“Health: You live in Lakewood, correct”
WS -“The more on the modern side you get the easier it is, but even so, even the more moderate yeshivish places, like YSV, are very crowded”
In Lakewood, they don’t have any modern schools. The one that they had closed down years ago. To get into a school here, it’s like Shidduchem, either you need money or Yichus!January 18, 2016 1:40 pm at 1:40 pm #1132931Abba_SParticipant
It would seem that both communities need new yeshivas. It shouldn’t be to hard to put down a prefabricated classroom for kindergarten students on vacant land. The setup cost will be minimal especially if they lease the land and the classroom. Then every year add another grade it is doable. The problem is paying the staff, will tuition cover it? Unless you have enough parent paying tuition you are going to have problem covering payroll. I have heard that even wealthy people have trouble getting their kids into yeshivas in Lakewood.
According to the East Ramapo School Monitor’s report estimates that by 2024 there will be 48,000, double what it was in 2014, yeshiva student in Monsey. Where are you going to find the seats for all these students. You will also need to find another funding source other than tuition and fundraising to support it.January 18, 2016 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1132932theprof1Participant
The biggest problem in Lakewood, more than in Monsey, is the yeshiva situation. Where are all the rich people who sold their Flatbush houses for $2 million and bought huge houses in Lakewood for $500,000? Housing in Lakewood is much cheaper than Monsey. Lakewood also is a city setting while Monsey is like the country, roads up and around hills. Commute to Manhattan is so much easier and faster from Monsey. Monsey is very chasidish too. Truth is, me personally, I’d rather stay in Brooklyn. Shuls on every block, yeshivos and BY galore. Tuition pretty affordable. Shopping everywhere for anything.January 18, 2016 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1132933
theprof1 -“The biggest problem in Lakewood, more than in Monsey, is the yeshiva situation”
That’s one of the problems! I’ve found in life that the Frum communities, everywhere, tend to sweep a lot of problems under the carpet.January 18, 2016 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1132934zahavasdadParticipant
If you intended to leave Lakewood, the biggest drawback is the Garden State Parking LotJanuary 18, 2016 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #1132935Abba_SParticipant
Where are all the rich people who sold their house in Flatbush for $2 million and bought a new one in Lakewood for $500,000.00. Unless they bought the house over 20 years ago they cashed out with at most $900,000, with $500,000 for the new house and the balance for new furniture and taxes. You will be surprised how quick you can $400,000.00. Especially if charity and or savings is a low priority. Or they used their equity in the house for their business which is not doing good. In any case most of this money is gone.
Every area has it problems while Brooklyn has a lot of yeshivas at reasonable tuition and lots of shuls, houses are very expensive and even apartments are expensive. Most young couples move out of NYC as soon as they marry or upon having a child because it’s so expensive which is why Monsey & Lakewood are growing so rapidly. So in a few years, the neighborhood changes people die or move away to be with family and there wouldn’t be enough people for all these Brooklyn shuls. The same thing will apply to yeshiva at least elementary school with fewer local people starting families in Brooklyn the yeshivas will find it harder to fill their classes.January 19, 2016 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1132936
Is Monsey’s Jewish population about two times the size of Lakewood’s? That seems to be the case based on the number of Yeshiva pupils in each town, based on Board of Ed busing figures.January 20, 2016 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1132938HashemisreadingParticipant
Lakewood is considered more in-towny than Monsey, theres a little more pressure in Lakewood because theres so many more prople per small amount of space. in Monsey people are more private, and tend to mind their own business( not in a snobby way)
Writersoul, you can correct me if im wrong, which I know you will;)January 20, 2016 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1132939gavra_at_workParticipant
That seems to be the case based on the number of Yeshiva pupils in each town, based on Board of Ed busing figures.
Does this include New Square and Kaser?January 20, 2016 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #1132940
Can’t seem to find the numbers I saw previously. The numbers I’m seeing now seem to indicate that the East Ramapo Board of Ed transports 24,000 private school children while the Lakewood Board of Ed transports 19,000 private school children.January 20, 2016 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #1132941
Though it may be parts of the Jewish community of Monsey and its environs are part of the Ramapo Central School District, and thus not included in the above numbers, effectively the total then being larger.January 21, 2016 4:41 am at 4:41 am #1132942
Hashemisreading: Sorry!!!! Don’t mean to be that irritating…
But if it helps, I know little about Lakewood (know almost nobody there) but my impression has been that you’re probably right 🙂
Joe: Increasingly large numbers of students are coming in from RCSD, but still not that many in relation to the numbers of kids in ERCSD. Also bear in mind the kids (for sure in Monsey, not sure about Lakewood) who take private buses (as they have in many chassidish schools), or that the Monsey total includes a decent number of kids attending other forms of private schools. I don’t know how many kids in Lakewood are going to non-Jewish private schools, but Monsey has a reasonably large number.January 21, 2016 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1132943HashemisreadingParticipant
Writersoul: its okay, I was only saying that in jest:)January 21, 2016 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #1132944
Okay, that’s good 🙂
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