Latest Arrests In Flatbush & Monsey
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October 21, 2013 3:04 am at 3:04 am #981448charliehallParticipant
” A real beis din cannot convene a session without both parties present.”
That is indeed the halachah. But in addition to this example, beit dins in Israel have pasuled conversions without the convert being present. This is worse than the stuff the Conservative movement does.
October 21, 2013 3:10 am at 3:10 am #981449charliehallParticipantYears ago Rabbi Mordechai Willig was stunned to learn that a man in his congregration had refused his wife a get. He immediately convened a beit din and they instituted Rabbeinu Tam’s strictures on the man. The other congregations in the neighborhood were informed and every single one cooperated. I know someone who was ordered by R’Willig to disinvite the man from a family simchah.
A few months later, the man gave the get, and R’Willig told the gabbai to give him shlishi the following Shabat morning. R’Willig then developed the RCA prenup as a way to prevent this from happening in the future. No rabbi in America should ever marry a couple without the prenup.
October 21, 2013 12:21 pm at 12:21 pm #981450The little I knowParticipant” A real beis din cannot convene a session without both parties present.”
That is indeed the halachah. But in addition to this example, beit dins in Israel have pasuled conversions without the convert being present. This is worse than the stuff the Conservative movement does.
This was charliehall’s comment above. There is a comparison here that is wholly inaccurate. On matters that are of a din Torah between two litigants (??? ??? ??????), there is a distinct obligation of ???? ??? ????? which requires that both litigants be present before any of the dayanim hear any of the complaints. If the matter is an individual psak, such as the validity of the ?????, there is no such requirement. Such a matter does not involve a litigant, but rather a halachic process that is being evaluated as valid or not. Nice try.
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