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June 5, 2011 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #597276ZeesKiteParticipant
Is it permissible? Even afer Rosh Chodesh?
June 5, 2011 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1017878real-briskerMemberHuh?
June 5, 2011 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1017879Smile E. FaceMemberi would’ve looked up teh answer, but i wasn’t sure if i was allowed to :0)
June 6, 2011 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1017880ZeesKiteParticipantreal-brisker:
(let’s spell it out) If one is not allowed to eat Matzah before the Seder then..
June 6, 2011 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1017881real-briskerMemberSorry I didn’t catch the humor.
June 6, 2011 3:10 am at 3:10 am #1017882YW Moderator-42ModeratorMy minhag is not to learn from the 5th of Iyar
June 6, 2011 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1017883ZeesKiteParticipantIsn’t that the Russian minhag, the rest do it from the 25th?
June 6, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #1017884BSDMemberI’m not sure, but I’m not taking any chances.
June 7, 2011 1:47 am at 1:47 am #1017885Boro Park GirlMemberWe should be m’farseim this idea because I think that their are many people(including my brothers, father, uncles…) who might be doing something wrong because they are in Yeshiva or learning! ;-0 Yikes!!!
June 7, 2011 2:30 am at 2:30 am #1017886moishyParticipantI don’t think this is so funny
June 7, 2011 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1017887charliehallParticipant“Is it permissible? Even afer Rosh Chodesh?”
Is this serious? Is it ever permissible NOT to learn?
June 7, 2011 3:46 am at 3:46 am #1017888ZeesKiteParticipantcharliehall:
Some guys (like me) are scary. One can never tell when they’re serious or not.
June 7, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #1017889ToiParticipantDoes your family eat beets on Shavuos??
June 7, 2011 8:48 am at 8:48 am #1017890YW Moderator-42ModeratorBPG wrote “We should be m’farseim this idea because I think that their are many people(including my brothers, father, uncles…) who might be doing something wrong because they are in Yeshiva or learning! ;-0 Yikes!!!”
There’s no problem with being in yeshiva, the problem is learning
June 7, 2011 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1017891apushatayidParticipantMod-42 makes a very important observation.
Can we infer there is no issue of maras ayin here.
June 7, 2011 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1017892am yisrael chaiParticipant“Is it ever permissible NOT to learn?”
I guess you’ve never had to deal with a niftar, baruch Hashem.
(Btw, some hold not to learn on the night of Dec 25 &
some hold not to learn textually inside tanach from tzais to chatzos.)
June 7, 2011 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm #1017893jewish sourceParticipantIts not a bad question. But the difference is simple food the more you eat the Fuller you feel Torah the more you learnthe less you feel you know that’s Torah lishma
June 7, 2011 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #1017894☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIs it ever permissible NOT to learn?
Tisha B’av, (except for inyanei churban & aveilus), Nittel, (according to soeme), when you’re asleep.
June 7, 2011 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1017895klachMemberaccording to many shitos it is assur to learn on tisha b’av stuff that does not pertain to tisha b’av before chatzos.
June 7, 2011 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1017896apushatayidParticipantIts a good thing tisha bav doesnt fall out on shavuos then.
June 7, 2011 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1017898☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantIts a good thing tisha bav doesnt fall out on shavuos then.
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June 7, 2011 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm #1017899zaidy78Participantfrom what I recall from the alter heim, we were machmir six months before and six months after.
May 29, 2014 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1017900Little FroggieMemberHurry, before Rosh Chodesh..
May 29, 2014 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1017901HaLeiViParticipantObviously, you are allowed from Rosh Chodesh since it says, Yachol Merosh Chodesh.
May 29, 2014 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1017902Sam2ParticipantHaLeiVi: I was once M’orer that that phrase shouldn’t be in the Hagaddah according to what we hold. It’s Rabban Gamliel L’shitaso, that Shoalin V’dorshin is only 2 weeks. We should hold a month and say “Yachol MiPurim”.
May 30, 2014 2:21 am at 2:21 am #1017903rationalfrummieMemberIf I remember the gemara at the end of megillah correctly, wasn’t Moshe shoalin vedorshin hilchos pesach on pesach, sukkos on sukkos, etc? Is the inyan of learning 30 days before the same thing or a different idea entirely? I want to hear a good he’arah.
May 30, 2014 2:41 am at 2:41 am #1017904147ParticipantI have an 2 exceedingly long standing Gezeiros Shovu’os comparing Erev Pesach to Erev Shovu’os.
1) Just as I go to sleep on Erev Pesach afternoon, likewise I go to sleep on Erev Shovu’os afternoon.
2) Just as I consume Coke & coffee [ice cream & drink] on Erev Pesach afternoon, likewise I consume Coke & coffee [ice cream & drink] on Erev Shovu’os afternoon.
Fulfillment of these 2 Gezeiro Shovos supersedes all Talmud Toroh at those hours.
May 30, 2014 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1017905HaLeiViParticipantSome say that 30 days before is for Halachos while the Chag itself is for Aggada. Some say that 30 days before is when a Rav must answer all questions about the Chag and can’t say he is not in the Sugya.
May 30, 2014 3:40 am at 3:40 am #1017906Sam2ParticipantRF: The Rishonim ask that exact question (actually, the Gemara itself might ask but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t). The standard answer is that Sukkos and Pesach require 30 days because they have a lot of Halachos but everything else is just on its day.
If I recall correctly, and I probably don’t because I never saw most of it inside and haven’t discussed it in over 10 years now, the Meiri at the end of Megillah quotes a different answer (D’oraisa vs D’rabannan) and someone brings down that there is a Din D’Oraisa to learn Inyano Shel Yom but an additional Chiyuv D’rabannan to learn about things with lots of Halachos 30 days before as preparation.
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