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    ZeesKite
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    Is it permissible? Even afer Rosh Chodesh?

    #1017878
    real-brisker
    Member

    Huh?

    #1017879

    i would’ve looked up teh answer, but i wasn’t sure if i was allowed to :0)

    #1017880
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    real-brisker:

    (let’s spell it out) If one is not allowed to eat Matzah before the Seder then..

    #1017881
    real-brisker
    Member

    Sorry I didn’t catch the humor.

    #1017882
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    My minhag is not to learn from the 5th of Iyar

    #1017883
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Isn’t that the Russian minhag, the rest do it from the 25th?

    #1017884
    BSD
    Member

    I’m not sure, but I’m not taking any chances.

    #1017885

    We should be m’farseim this idea because I think that their are many people(including my brothers, father, uncles…) who might be doing something wrong because they are in Yeshiva or learning! ;-0 Yikes!!!

    #1017886
    moishy
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    I don’t think this is so funny

    #1017887
    charliehall
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    “Is it permissible? Even afer Rosh Chodesh?”

    Is this serious? Is it ever permissible NOT to learn?

    #1017888
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    charliehall:

    Some guys (like me) are scary. One can never tell when they’re serious or not.

    #1017889
    Toi
    Participant

    Does your family eat beets on Shavuos??

    #1017890
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    BPG wrote “We should be m’farseim this idea because I think that their are many people(including my brothers, father, uncles…) who might be doing something wrong because they are in Yeshiva or learning! ;-0 Yikes!!!”

    There’s no problem with being in yeshiva, the problem is learning

    #1017891
    apushatayid
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    Mod-42 makes a very important observation.

    Can we infer there is no issue of maras ayin here.

    #1017892
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    “Is it ever permissible NOT to learn?”

    I guess you’ve never had to deal with a niftar, baruch Hashem.

    (Btw, some hold not to learn on the night of Dec 25 &

    some hold not to learn textually inside tanach from tzais to chatzos.)

    #1017893
    jewish source
    Participant

    Its not a bad question. But the difference is simple food the more you eat the Fuller you feel Torah the more you learnthe less you feel you know that’s Torah lishma

    #1017894
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Is it ever permissible NOT to learn?

    Tisha B’av, (except for inyanei churban & aveilus), Nittel, (according to soeme), when you’re asleep.

    #1017895
    klach
    Member

    according to many shitos it is assur to learn on tisha b’av stuff that does not pertain to tisha b’av before chatzos.

    #1017896
    apushatayid
    Participant

    Its a good thing tisha bav doesnt fall out on shavuos then.

    #1017898
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Its a good thing tisha bav doesnt fall out on shavuos then.

    ?

    #1017899
    zaidy78
    Participant

    from what I recall from the alter heim, we were machmir six months before and six months after.

    #1017900

    Hurry, before Rosh Chodesh..

    #1017901
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Obviously, you are allowed from Rosh Chodesh since it says, Yachol Merosh Chodesh.

    #1017902
    Sam2
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    HaLeiVi: I was once M’orer that that phrase shouldn’t be in the Hagaddah according to what we hold. It’s Rabban Gamliel L’shitaso, that Shoalin V’dorshin is only 2 weeks. We should hold a month and say “Yachol MiPurim”.

    #1017903

    If I remember the gemara at the end of megillah correctly, wasn’t Moshe shoalin vedorshin hilchos pesach on pesach, sukkos on sukkos, etc? Is the inyan of learning 30 days before the same thing or a different idea entirely? I want to hear a good he’arah.

    #1017904
    147
    Participant

    I have an 2 exceedingly long standing Gezeiros Shovu’os comparing Erev Pesach to Erev Shovu’os.

    1) Just as I go to sleep on Erev Pesach afternoon, likewise I go to sleep on Erev Shovu’os afternoon.

    2) Just as I consume Coke & coffee [ice cream & drink] on Erev Pesach afternoon, likewise I consume Coke & coffee [ice cream & drink] on Erev Shovu’os afternoon.

    Fulfillment of these 2 Gezeiro Shovos supersedes all Talmud Toroh at those hours.

    #1017905
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Some say that 30 days before is for Halachos while the Chag itself is for Aggada. Some say that 30 days before is when a Rav must answer all questions about the Chag and can’t say he is not in the Sugya.

    #1017906
    Sam2
    Participant

    RF: The Rishonim ask that exact question (actually, the Gemara itself might ask but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t). The standard answer is that Sukkos and Pesach require 30 days because they have a lot of Halachos but everything else is just on its day.

    If I recall correctly, and I probably don’t because I never saw most of it inside and haven’t discussed it in over 10 years now, the Meiri at the end of Megillah quotes a different answer (D’oraisa vs D’rabannan) and someone brings down that there is a Din D’Oraisa to learn Inyano Shel Yom but an additional Chiyuv D’rabannan to learn about things with lots of Halachos 30 days before as preparation.

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