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  • #603582
    ZeesKite
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    Is it permitted, or is it like eating Matzoh before the Seder?

    #1155052
    BaalHabooze
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    our Mama would slap our hands away if we tried to pinch a piece of cheesecake before yom tov. no cheesecake before Shavuos.

    #1155053
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It’s like getting a filter before the asifa.

    #1155054
    R.T.
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    Hi ZeesKite: What do you mean by ‘before’? An hour? A day? A lunar cycle?

    Seriously — IMHO, Learning is permitted at all times (except erev Tisha Be’Av and Tisha Be’Av and Aveilus R”L — some ‘restricted’ learning is permitted during the aforementioned).

    But your question is actually a serious one, because I saw it brought down that there are those who refrain from napping/sleeping on Erev Sukkos (during the day/afternoon), since the ikar mitzvah of LeShev BaSukkah is to sleep in the Sukkah (compared to Matzah before the Seder).

    #1155055
    Sam2
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    R.T.: Interesting. First of all, it’s a Machlokes by Erev Tishah B’av. It seems that the Minhag by most is to be Meikil to learn, though it is far from a dominant majority. Also, how is refusing to sleep outside the Sukkah on Erev Pesach not a violation of Bal Tosif? Because it’s Shev V’al Ta’aseh? Well, I might know one thing I’ll be looking up two nights from now.

    #1155056
    ZeesKite
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    Sam: Seems you lost your duck, ??? ??????

    “..outside the Sukkah on Erev Pesach..”?!

    #1155057
    Sam2
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    Zees: Thanks. I don’t sleep enough. I meant Erev Sukkos, obviously. Sorry.

    #1155058
    R.T.
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    Hi Sam2: Yes, you are correct. It is a machlokes haPoskim concerning learning by 9th Av. That is why I was machria to say restricted learning, since everyone agrees that you can learn hilchos aveilus, Medrash on Eicha, etc…

    #1155059
    ZeesKite
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    OK, All you serious people. If I must. This question was in jest (oh really).

    Actually, the more a person learns, the more he wants. So by learning before Shavuos, he’ll have a bigger urge, zest to learn on Shavous. LTA’AVON!!

    #1155060
    Sam2
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    R.T.: You missed my point. According to many Poskim one is allowed to learn anything on Erev Tishah B’av. You are allowed to learn the sad things according to everyone even on Tishah B’av itself.

    #1155061
    R.T.
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    Thank you ZeesKite. There may actually be room to be stringent when it specifically comes to the Tikkun Leyl Shavu’os (if that is your practice) since it was designed specifically for the night of Shavu’os and if an intentional prayer/declaration (e.g., LeShem Yichud ..) is said beforehand.

    Otherwise, may all our learning and prayers for Shabbos & Yom Tov be accepted and be a Zechut to all of Klal Yisrael.

    And may we enjoy that Cheescake with all the Chukim and Mishpatim associated with it … and Because Mommy Said So.

    All the Best

    #1155062
    Josh31
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    “Is it permitted, or is it like eating Matzoh before the Seder?”

    This question is only relavent to nashim who do not have the daily obligation to learn.

    #1155063
    oomis
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    V’hagisa bo yomam valaila. Except during shiva and Tisha B’Av.

    #1155064
    Little Froggie
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    Time (ok, no time) for this one again…

    #1155065
    147
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    Since I stay up on Schowu’os nite, I cannot emulate this deed on Erev Schowu’os, hence I make it my business to sleep on Erev Schowu’os, to avoid a Chashash of acting out Schowu’oth nite prior to Kabolas Schowu’oth.

    Likewise I make it my business not to consume cheesecake on Erev Schowu’oth, so as not to emulate my Seudas Leil Schowu’oth, & I can then heartily consume my cheesecake, after which I go to Tikun Leil Schowu’oth.

    By the way:- “Ein ben Erev Schowu’oth Chechal Bechol Oh sheChal BeShabbos”, vis a vis these practices of mine.

    #1155066
    Little Froggie
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    half a bump

    #1288224
    Little Froggie
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    The other half!!

    #1288946
    apushatayid
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    “Is it permitted, or is it like eating Matzoh before the Seder? ”

    In fact, some have a chumra not to learn 30 days before shavuos (others are meikel and only start from rosh chodesh).

    #1522641
    Little Froggie
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    … The third half.

    If eating matzo on Erev Peshach is כאילו בע…בבית חמיו, and learning Torah before an Am ha’aretz is כאילו בא… then doesn’t it stand that. . . ???

    #1522723
    Reb Eliezer
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    We can learn things related to proper behavior because derech eretz kodmo latorah.

    #1522724
    Reb Eliezer
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    Am haaretz asur lechol bosor explains the Klei Yokor that what allows us eating meat makes us better than animals is the Torah. One who does not learn Torah is not better than animals and has no right to eat meat.

    #1522781
    Gadolhadorah
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    “One who does not learn Torah is not better than animals and has no right to eat meat”

    So thats why all the vegetarians are also am haaratzim …..always wondered about that. Do any CR vegies have a good cheesecake recipe using soy-based cheese??

    #1523603
    apushatayid
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    “One who does not learn Torah is not better than animals and has no right to eat meat.”

    I assume there are many lamdonim and geonim in the Serengeti.

    #2092949
    Little Froggie
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    How could I forget?

    #2093033
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Shabbos before Shavuos is called Shabbos Derech Eretz as derech eretz kodmo laTorah.

    #2093056
    HaLeiVi
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    The Mitzvas Hayom of Shavuos isn’t learning, and so there’s nothing to gain by refraining from it.

    Conversely, learning Torah is Mitzvas Hayom of every day, and so perhaps we should never learn, because we must always learn.

    #2093058
    Sam Klein
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    How is learning Torah all Shavuous night beneficial or extra when in truth we all know that it just gets replaced with us sleeping in the afternoon instead.

    For a Yom tov like Shavuous when we got the Torah we should be learning EXTRA and not just changing it from daytime learning to at night. Cause we slept on the night before kabbalas Hatorah.

    #2093153
    ubiquitin
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    Sam
    I’ll quote what my Rebbe R’ Tzvi Berkowiz said:

    “It may not make sense, it may be crazy; but when you are in love you do crazy things”

    #2093179

    Are you allowed to listen to accapela before pesach?

    #2093183
    Reb Eliezer
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    It shows the preparation, by recognizing the importance of learning, through sleeping before on shabbos afternoon rather than Shavuos afternoon. The Haflaah explains that by Korach we find that Moshe Rabbenu said to them, בקר ויודע ה’ את אשר לו, Hashem will inform the one He chooses in the morning, emphasizing the morning. The same as you cannot change day to night, this, my will, you also cannot change. So he asks, when did they want to change day to night? He answers by Kabolas Hatorah. The Jews held that before Kabolas Hatorah they were considered as bnei Noach whose day starts at sunrise but Hashem waited for them as Jews, indicating that the day started for them at alos hashachar. So, when it was day they slept considering it as night.

    #2093196
    Reb Eliezer
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    I take on the aveira of learning before Shavuos. One has to know the halochos of Shavuos and zerizim makdimim lemitzva. As learning is a mitzva all the time, zerizim is beshaas chiyuv and it applies.

    #2093567

    RebE > I take on the aveira of learning before Shavuos.

    Rogachover was braver than that, he was learning on 9Av, saying that he is ok being in gehinom for people who learn on 9Av. I think, Chazon Ish replied that there is only one Gehinom though …

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