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  • #617664
    NeutiquamErro
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    I know some may have objections to threads about sport, and I wonder to what extent this particular amazing episode has made it’s mark abroad, so I’ll try widen this out a bit.

    With Donald Trump the presumptive nominee, Bernice Sanders’ unlikely surge, and the reprehensible Jeremy Corby somehow leading the UK’s Labour Party, certainly this year in politics has been one for the underdog.

    But can anybody think of any story, in any sphere of life, be it politics, sport, current affairs, etc., that comes close to the achievements of a particular English Football team over the past year.

    #1150909
    zahavasdad
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    Most of us here in the US dont really know much about English Football. Those of us who follow sports dont really follow Soccer.

    I did see that there were 5000 to 1 odds paid out for them to win.

    #1150910
    writersoul
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    My dad was marveling about it, but he’s annoyed because they beat out his team, Tottenham Hotspur, to win the Premier League.

    (We live in NY, by the way. Have no idea how he got into it.)

    (Bernice Sanders? Jeremy Corby?)

    #1150911
    NeutiquamErro
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    Writersoul, I sympathise completely with your father, being in an identical situation myself. I can only apologise for the unforgivable but nevertheless amusing typos I perpetrated above. In my defense, I was writing in a hurry.

    As for your wonder at there being Tottenham supporters, and of course supporters of other less worthy teams, in the States, it is my impression that increased coverage of English football in the USA has attracted followers. And ‘Spurs’, with their attractive style of play and great character (not to mention their considerable Jewish connections), seem to have attracted many American fans. Your father has made a great choice, and I would be extremely interested to hear as to how he formed this attachment.

    #1150912
    Geordie613
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    The funniest thing is how Americans pronounce Leicester!

    #1150913
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    No, the funniest thing is that you Brits call soccer football.

    #1150914
    NeutiquamErro
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    You’ve both anticipated my next post. I was going to suggest that if a phenomenal display of grit, courage and skill to overturn decades of financial dominance and revitalise the most watched league in the world’s most popular sport wasn’t sufficient, we could always have a good chuckle as to how a particular country not only refuses to recognise the merits of a sport the world agrees is superior, and not only doesn’t even know what to call that sport, but can’t even pronounce what is now one of it’s most famous names.

    Am I being deliberately controversial in order to provoke? Of course I am. But let’s enjoy it nonetheless.

    #1150915
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    we could always have a good chuckle as to how a particular country not only refuses to recognise the merits of a sport the world agrees is superior, and not only doesn’t even know what to call that sport, but can’t even pronounce what is now one of it’s most famous names.

    The first part is true, the second isn’t. In England they know how to pronounce it.

    #1150916
    TheGoq
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    No the funniest thing is that you Brits call Soccer a sport.

    #1150917
    zahavasdad
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    Its pronouced LESTER not Li-caster. I dont know where the Brits learned proper english pronunciation from

    #1150918
    NeutiquamErro
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    DY: Touche. I was vague for linguistic effect, and you’ve done well to catch me out on it. But to be completely fair, it does too say it’s a sport ‘the world agrees is superior’, which, when you consider that Association Football is the most popular sport in the world by some distance, can only be referring to that sport, thereby excluding the post from referring to England.

    Goq: I’ll happily defend my country’s national sport, so feel free to make whatever coherent point you feel supports your claim.

    ZD: Huh? Would you mind please elaborating, your post is somewhat ambiguous.

    #1150919
    zahavasdad
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    When Brits mispronouce Leicaster as Lester instead of proper english by pronoucing it as Li-Caster they need to be taught how to speak english properly

    #1150920
    writersoul
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    zdad: Even according to the rules of normal English pronunciation, Leicester would have no hard C.

    NE: Yeah, I think that when he was getting into British football (which, as a lifelong American football fan, he of course calls soccer :P) he liked both of those things.

    #1150921
    yehudayona
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    ZD, you misspelled it. If you’re going to mispronounce it, say Lie-sester.

    Most Americans don’t know how pronounce that city in central Massachusetts that begins with W.

    #1150922
    NeutiquamErro
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    The Oxford English Dictionary says the ‘cester’ is pronounced ‘ster’, so we are obviously correct in this matter. You don’t have to like it, but we can all agree that the OED are better informed than any on this forum. So that’s that dealt with.

    I anticipate several questions, so I shall attempt to preempt them. Firstly, the punctuation predates the USA’s existence, indeed predates it’s discovery, so it is churlish at best for an American tk claim their country knows better when said ‘mistake’ predates their entire country.

    As for the regular quibbling over the English language that regularly flakes up on this forum, in no small part due to my own zealousness, I shall simply say that as the country that both developed English, and, to be honest, has the best record of employing it, we take precedence with regard to divergences.

    And lastly, and most pertinently, those in glass houses…

    Not only is the USA guilty of similar inexplicable pronunciations (Arkansas, anyone?), but they have generally butchered the spelling and pronunciation of the English language in an unforgivable manner.

    And besides, I find it difficult to accept a point about language from a man who, in making said point, doesn’t seem to even know how to use basic punctuation.

    #1150924
    Geordie613
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    I have just been reminded about a story that happened to my Uncle and cousins almost 16 yrs ago when they were in Chicago for a wedding. They were looking for the large shopping street called Devon Ave. After much difficulty locating it they asked a passer-by where is Devon ave?

    ..Huh? Devon ave?

    ..you know,where all the shops are!

    ..oh,honey,you mean DEEEVAAAHN AVE..its just over there,1st right,2nd left..

    How can you mispronounce a name which is called after a place in England???

    –JB

    #1150925
    Geordie613
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    YY

    How do you spell the city in central Massachusetts that begins with W?

    #1150926
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Spoken from a guy who spells Tire with a Y ..Tyre

    Parks their car in a “Car Park” instead of a “Parking Lot”. What is a “Car Park” anyway..A Park full of Cars

    And rides a train that tells everyone to “Mind the Gap ” instead of telling them to “Watch their step”

    And take a “Lift” instead of an elevator. A “LIft” is a verb not a noun

    #1150927
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    sorry Mr. JB, that would have been dih-vahn!

    and I dont know why you are complaining about that when perpendicular to it is a street we call MO-ZART

    #1150928
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    according to wikipedia it wasn’t named after a place in England after all:

    “it was renamed in the 1880s by Edgewater developer John Lewis Cochran after Devon station on the Main Line north of Philadelphia.[2]”

    pronounced:

    Devon Avenue /d??v?n/

    #1150929
    zahavasdad
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    All joking aside people from Chicago have a differnt accent than people from NY who have a differnt accent than people from Boston

    #1150930
    Geordie613
    Participant

    ZD

    car park?, where you park cars, easy.

    Mind the gap means, mind that you don’t fall in the gap between the train and the platform. How obvious can you get?

    watch your step? which step in the London Underground is yours to watch?

    Syag,

    dih-vahn is still so wrong.

    #1150931
    mw13
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    Thank you NeutiquamErro and DY for that humorous exchange… made me smile more than anything I’ve seen all day 🙂

    #1150932
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    And my personal favorite Brits use “Supporter” instead of “Fan”.

    Whenever I go to Europe I have to remember to speak British instead of English

    #1150933
    NeutiquamErro
    Participant

    ZD, I think you’re just trying to get a rise out of me. No worries, I enjoy it, but I hope you’ll forgive me if I don’t keep doing so.

    And so, in reverse order:

    We do use ‘fan’, as well as supporter.

    Toon already dealt with these three, but: Car park. Completely self-explanatory; ‘Mind the Gap’ is a carefully chosen phrase, used due to it’s being clear and specific; We call it an ‘elevator’, ‘lift’ is simply a common colloquialism.

    For the sake of clarity, kindly imagined I sighed prior to each sentence. And since you didn’t contradict the points I made earlier, I’ll assume you agreed. And finally, ‘British’. Oh, that’s funny.

    #1150934
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    If you come across the pond and ask for the “Car Park” people will look at you funny and wonder what you are talking about

    #1150935
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    A Brit came to a real estate agent in NY and asked for a “Free Flat”, every where he went all the real estate agents threw him out as they did not know what he wanted.

    Finally he went to an agent who knew that Flat meant apartment in english, but he told the Brit. that he had flats available, but that he had to paid for them, they were not free

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