Let's complain about tznius

Mayan_Dvash I believe they were not joking about tznius but rather about the fact that people like to hock and complain about it but don’t bother to go so far as to actually do anything about it.

Its trendy to complain. Lets change the trend. Let’s be positive about tznius! Its beautiful!

Blame the goyim and the frei Yidden. When the goyim went around with respectable clothes, no one noticed that we were wearing proper clothes as well.

It’s been a very long time since “the goyim went around with respectable clothes”, probably before most people reading this were born. In a few Brooklyn neighborhoods, as anyone in Brooklyn knows, the tznius of supposedly frum women leaves a lot to be desired.

Can’t you do something nice like a posuk from tehilim?

“Lo Amus Ki Echyeh Veasaper Ma’ase Ka”

I still don’t beleive it! I’m such a positive and ubeat person! This subtitle is a disgrace to my name!!

DaMoshe,

I also doubt that tzius was taught/enforced the way it is today.

In my mind, there is a sharp distinction between a school environment and the rest of the world. Everything that you are describing below is apparently happening within a school environment, and it is not unique to Jewish schools, but any school with uniforms or a dress code policy (which includes public schools). Perhaps the only unique aspect to it is that it is being labeled tznius.

There weren’t teachers with rulers measuring how far below the knee a girl’s skirt was reaching.

This was done in my public school when I was young. The standards weren’t the same, of course, but there was a code and it was enforced.

They probably didn’t have rules about how a girl should tie back her hair.

I’m sure many schools did. My public school certainly did for certain circumstances.

No rules on what color clothes girls should wear.

At the public school I attended, clothing with words or logos were not permitted. Other schools require uniforms. I don’t see why this is a knock.

The chumros just keep piling up, and it turns people off to the whole concept.

I don’t see these as chumros, just school standards. Perhaps the schools should describe their standards as relating to the school environment itself (e.g., this is what we require girls who attend our school to wear, and by the way it is a good example of dressing b’tznius).

Lack of tznius is a huge problem in the frum velt. Just the other day a friend of mine was talking about how much a neighbor payed for their renovations! Last week during davening (!!!) I overheard a group of men discussing their salaries. When I was in Yeshiva, it was fairly common for bachurim to discuss who can afford what sort of clothing and car.

It’s a disgrace I tell you, an absolute shanda.

Whoa, you scared me with the title; I thought you were going to complain that tznius standards are too strict.

We can only control our own behaviors. I wish more people would dress more modestly and with more refinement, but I can’t do anything to change their mode of dress, except to try to set a good example.

I was recently in a section of Jerusalem, not sure which but it was the neighborhood after Meah Shearim. Unlike Meah Sharim there werent any tourists but the whole neighborhood was charedi and we were the only non-charedi there (We were visting a relative there)

While waiting for the bus back to the hotel, Some Charedi man started yelling at my wife who was dressed tzniut, I dont know exactly what he was mumblimg , but I did hear this is Jerusalem and not America and it was quite clear he was trying to rattle us. And it was quite clear from his gestures he was trying to give “Chizuk”