Let’s Say Republicans Win the Midterm Elections?

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  • #2090343
    lakewhut
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    Doesn’t it just push off the inevitable disaster that will come when the democrats get power again? Republicans don’t have a platform or principles.

    #2090457
    ☕️coffee addict
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    It does

    But how is that any different than putting someone on life support, won’t it just push off the inevitable death? The guy is in a coma so he can’t do anything anyways

    #2090466
    bored_teen 💕
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    Ok

    #2090470
    Gadolhadorah
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    When you have anointed the “Donald” as your political moishiach there is no longer any need for P3 (aka platform, policies or principles). Whatever he says at a given point in time is your governing policy and principle until he changes his mind.

    #2090498
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Coffee,

    Do you think that losing elections now, will hurt the Republican Party in the long run?

    #2090502
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Gadol,

    You have it backwards. The republicans losing their way is what got Trump elected. They were so riled up by the country electing a socialist – Obama -that they slowly left behind everything that had revived the party. Reagan, The Moral Majority, Compassionate Immigration, Military Service, Free Trade, Low Budgets, and just about everything else.

    Now, the Democrats are so riled up from Trump, that they abandoned everything. That leaves up with culture wars and lobbyists in place of political dialogue and government by the people.

    So now back to the question: what happens if the Republicans win the midterms?

    1) They who the partisan battle for the day! Yay! Owning the Libs, what could be better?

    2) Joe Manchin loses millions of lobbyist dollars, and the hours of air time.

    #2090534
    Reb Eliezer
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    People get what they deserve.

    #2090580
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Nomesorah

    I don’t follow

    #2090587
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Reb Eliezer,

    Yes! Exactly! Some examples:

    1. Hillary Clinton

    2. Jared Kushner

    3. Chris Christie

    4. Mike Pence

    5. Ron Paul

    6. Ted Cruz

    7. Genghis Khan

    #2090632
    yungermanS
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    Whichever party ends up winning the elections lets remember most importantly who really runs the USA AND THE ENTIRE WORLD. Its all run directly by Hashem and all these presidents, kings and prime ministers etc… Are just actors and being messengers for Hashem to act as rulers. But we all know the real truth.

    #2090641
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Coffee,

    You compared wining the midterms to putting someone on life support. I took that as keeping the Republican Party in power. And delaying the inevitable death = keeping the Democrats out of power. I just wonder if maybe losing these winnable elections would help the Republicans identify themselves, and win back the county in the long run.

    #2090721
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Nomesorah,

    I’m talking about the country not the political parties

    Republicans feel the democrats are too far left so if the democrats are in power it will kill the country (the democrats probably also think the same of the republicans)

    Therefore if the republicans win it is good for the country just for the fact that they’re not democrats) even without a policy because zero is better than a negative

    #2090857
    n0mesorah
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    Okay. But then I’ll argue that the Republican winning now, will push the Democrats to endorse even more extreme candidates next time.

    #2090883
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “will push the Democrats to endorse even more extreme candidates next time.“

    And the republicans will hope that the average Americans will have the seichel not to vote them in and see how crazy they are

    #2090970
    n0mesorah
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    If they are banking on the voter’s intelligence, than wouldn’t a platform be the way to go? If they get elected and do the same stupid nothing, that would give the Democrats a chance to say we will do something again. And more extremist democrats will get by with less scrutiny.

    #2091060
    ☕️coffee addict
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    “If they get elected and do the same stupid nothing, that would give the Democrats a chance to say we will do something again.“

    Therefore it’s better for them to run as “the anti democrats” all they need to do is show they’re not going to destroy the country, they don’t have to put an effort to fix it

    #2091160
    n0mesorah
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    But those that insist that something must be done, will almost always pick up more swing votes, than those that claim not to make it worse.

    #2091761
    smerel
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    I’m no fan party of either party. I usually (not always) vote Republican as the lesser of the two evils.

    If the Republican win the midterm election they will slow the American decline. With all their faults the Republicans won’t be pushing for policies that are anti-religion, pro crime, anti work etc.

    In the end the US is going to fall apart anyway . The Democrats will accelerate the process. The Republicans not as much.

    #2094816
    BennytheKvetch
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    smerel, I’m voting Democratic since my main issue right now is preservation of Democracy. If you want to see acceleration towards authoritarianism vote for the Republicans. Orban’s Hungary is now their model. They just recently held a CPAC conference in Hungary.

    #2094825
    ujm
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    Orban is doing great in Hungary. America needs its own Orban.

    #2095273
    BennytheKvetch
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    Ujm, nice to know that you would prefer living under an authoritarian “strongman”. It remains to be seen how far down the authoritarian path they go, but at this point Hungary can no longer be credibly called a democracy. Maybe you should lay off the Tucker Carlson propaganda.

    #2095310
    ujm
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    Benny: You shouldn’t lick up all the drivel that the left-wing Big Media feeds you. Orban is a democratically elected leader and no strongman. He fought to the Soviet Communists to eject them from Hungary and has served admirabl6 every term the Hungarian people have chosen to elect him as their President. He is also an Oheiv Yisroel, as the cherry on the top.

    #2095509

    Opinions change quickly sometimes. Whole of Europe were disgusted with Poland for their supposedly anti-democratic policies for some time. Lately, Poland is trying to drag Old Europe along to fight for democracy. Also, Poland is totally frustrated with Hungary

    #2095597
    smerel
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    >>>smerel, I’m voting Democratic since my main issue right now is preservation of Democracy.

    If you truly believe that you need to vote Democratic to preserve it is time for you to drinking the kool-aid.

    One of my many issues with the Democratic party is that they are trying to hard to “other” Republicans that they are risking major danger

    . When Biden and co say stupid proactive things like “MAGA is the ‘most extreme political organization’ in recent U.S. history” it is far more likely to marginalize and raise extremism among that group than moderate it or cause it to disappear. For a few votes from people who think like you he is willing to risk

    (1)creating a self fulfilling prophecy

    (2)creating very fertile grounds for dangerous demagogues on either side to step in and cause havoc.

    This is aside for the general issues like the Democratic party used to be the party of tolerance and acceptance. Now it is the party of hate

    #2097012
    BennytheKvetch
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    UJM, Orban is absolutely a strongman in a country steadily transitioning from Democracy to Autocracy. Orban just won in an election where playing field was completely slanted and the opposition was severely handicapped. It’s undeniable at this point that Hungary is no longer a full democracy and that Orban/ Fidesz are a hybrid regime in the gray area between democratic and full authoritarian. I could go through all the reasons but it would take me too long and it’s probably just a waste since i doubt you really care about the reality of the situation. If you actually care, you might want to read the (non-partisan) Hungary reports from Freedom House dot org.

    It’s disturbing that you would would cheer on a very sad and unfortunate collapse of a once promising democratic country. At the same time you seem to be proving my (non-original) theory that the Republicans would be very willing to accept a strongman/dictator/autocrat if he was seen as fighting for their team interests and against the Democrat opposition.

    #2097114
    ujm
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    Benny: Prime Minutes Viktor Orban is a blessing for Hungary, the world and for Klal Yisroel. He is a democrat and has a landslide mandate for the electorate.

    Your only complaint about the election is that the Hungarian media is supposedly highly supportive of Orban and doesn’t give enough positive airtime to the left-wing candidates. (You have no complaints about Big Media supporting the left around the world and attacking conservatives.) Tough luck. After you make as much noise and define Biden as a strongman, since the U.S. media is far far more in the pocket of the Left and of the Democrat Party than the Hungarian media is for Orban, then you can come back with your complaints.

    Hungary is a member of the European Union and NATO, even if they don’t kiss the EU bureaucrats behind with every demand. They are as democratic as the United Kingdom and any number of other European countries. Your dislike of Hungary and the Hungarian electorate for consistently supporting conservatism and conservative candidates notwithstanding.

    Freedom House, since the end of the Cold War, is a very left-wing outlet.

    May the RBS”O soon bless the United States of America to have a democrat leader elected by the American people with as much spine and positive energy and ideas as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

    #2097152
    Reb Eliezer
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    I escaped Hungary under Russian rule in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, so for me it does not give a good taste when Orban is so close to them.

    #2097153
    n0mesorah
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    Dear Ujm,

    Orban’s economy has been a wild ride that keeps going nowhere. The country has gotten more isolated, and wasted a lot of promise. Sounds like your idea of success.

    Being anti immigrant does not mean ohaiv yisrael. Unless your a radical Zionist and the goal is the demise of the wandering Jew.

    #2097210
    ujm
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    Reb Eliezer, who is “them”?

    N0m: Compared to the countries in the rest of Europe and the world, Hungary’s economy has done better comparatively. Hungary has made great friendships with Poland, the United States (over the last four years) and other likeminded countries. Being so-called “isolated” from EU bureaucrats in Brussels, coming mainly from self-importance thinking Germans and French, is no loss.

    The Orban Administration has been the most frum Yid friendly, both on personal levels and more importantly on policy levels, than any other European country. Hungary has one of the largest European populations of Jews. I have no idea what you’re referring to with your reference to “Zionist”, but Hungary has established a great relationship with Israel over the last ten years.

    #2097217
    Reb Eliezer
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    Obviously, them is the Russians.

    #2097875
    BennytheKvetch
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    Ujm It sounds like you would fit right in at the communications and outreach department over at the Orban propaganda factory. I’d be surprised you even truly believe the nonsense you’re saying on here. Also Freedom House isn’t a “very left wing outlet”. I even checked the Mediabiasfactcheck and they rated them as right-center (i still think it’s nonpartisan)

    #2097915
    ujm
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    Benny: It’s clear you’d make an ideal community organizer at any number of George Soros funded outlet, such as MoveOn or, for that matter, you’d make an ideal campaign manager for AOC. If you’re more internationally minded, you might take a leadership position in Human Rights Watch’s Israel Department.

    I’m not surprised you believe the rubbish you’re naively been fed by DailyKos, MSNBC, the New York Times and all the other left-wing propoganda outlets that you worship as you bible. You’re not unlike the scores of other uncritical believers.

    Freedom House is very much an acknowledged left-wing partisan outlet, your echo chamber not reflecting that notwithstanding.

    #2097921

    RebE > for me it does not give a good taste when Orban is so close to them.

    You are seconding your famous neighbor – Von Neumann. When he was a kid, he lived several months under Communist insurrection and then escaped and helped most of his family escape right before WW2 (and was in Germany for some time before). He stayed focused on both Nazi and Soviet threats as a result, even tried to join US Army to do more math work on munitions (he was rejected because he failed an exam on discipline and re-did it several weeks after he was not eligible by age anymore)

    #2097922

    > Hungary has made great friendships with Poland

    I don;t think this is true any more. Poland is cutting off Hungary due to Orban’s pro-rus-nazi policies. poland shows that it is possible to be against western-European liberalism and still make sense. Maybe the difference is that Hungary seems to be currently centered around one man, while Poland has healthy politics, so they are not getting to dark corners (at least right now).

    #2097983
    ujm
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    The EU bureaucrats sitting in Brussels armchairs are as much anti-Poland as they are anti-Hungary. They’ve denied Poland billions of euros in COVID aid, since they are miffed at Poland replacing left-wing Polish judges with more conservative judges. And they are angry at Poland for pointing out the fact that toeiva feigelech are perverts. The EU insists on pretending that mishkav zochor is normal but Poland still refuses. And Poland and Hungary, despite their slight differences over Russia, are still tight nit and close friends with each other, and Poland and Hungary each use their EU veto to protect each other.

    The EU has imposed extremely tough and unprecedented sanctions against Russia over the last three months, since the Ukraine War. And Hungary voted in support of every single one of those new EU sanctions. So do not believe the falsehoods reported by far left-wing outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, BBC and CNN that Hungary is pro-Russia. Hungary has publicly condemned Russia’s actions. And without Hungarian support their would be no, and legally could be no, EU sanctions against Russia.

    #2098018
    ujm
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    Hungary, too, rejects the EU bureaucrats mad demands to recognize toeiva/mishkav zochor as being a normal acceptable behavior.

    #2098055

    your observations are correct as of last yea. it is a fact that Poland is now fully invested in supporting Ukraine and Hungary is the most pro-Nazi. Here is a quote from British press. If you have recent info that contradicts it, please provide.

    “We cannot understand the logic of profiting from the war, from the blood and sacrifice,” one Polish official told reporters ahead of the most recent EU summit, when the temporary reprieve for pipeline oil was agreed. At a small protest outside the Hungarian embassy in Warsaw on Saturday, protesters depicted blood flowing out of a mock oil pipeline.

    #2098062
    ujm
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    That’s absolutely false. EU bureaucrats are still anti-Poland. The EU is STILL blocking COVID funding towards Poland. And Hungary is the most pro-Jewish country in Europe and one of the most pro-frum Yidden countries in the world.

    Never assume “mainstream” press reports are accurate. But your quote only reflects a difference between Poland and most of the rest of the EU regarding the sanctions agreed to. It does not reflect any profound conflict between Poland and Hungary.

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