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LETTER FROM THE BEREAVED FAMILIES
To the elected officials of the Religious-Zionist and Traditional public in the Knesset of Israel:
“Everyone goes out to a milchemet mitzvah (an obligatory war).”
So our Sages taught us, and so we raised our children: a Torah that connects us to the people of Israel, not a Torah that separates us from it. On Simchat Torah 5784, on 7/10, and throughout the past two years, our children, our brothers, and our husbands went out to defend the State, in the name of Torah, in the name of mutual responsibility, in the name of the responsibility we all share for the fate of the Jewish people. They went—and did not return. We carry this pain every day, and it does not allow us to remain silent.
We are not asking anyone to stop learning Torah. Torah is the heart of the nation, the source of life for all of us. But the Torah of Israel does not allow a person to remove himself from the community; it is the Torah that obligates us to a shared responsibility; it is the Torah that commands: “Do not stand by the blood of your neighbor.” All the more so that you must not stand aside when your neighbor is fighting to save you!
It is precisely out of a deep respect for the Torah and its learners that we find it difficult for us to hear voices that, in the name of the Torah, claim that a large part of the nation should be exempt from basic partnership in shouldering the burdens of security and of economic and social contributions to the public. A nation cannot live while a third of it enjoys all the rights but is exempt from most of the obligations. Not today, and not for future generations.
In the face of this call, we—bereaved families from the Religious-Zionist and Traditional public—demand from you to make a clear statement that this is not our path. This is not the path of Torah. That you cannot lend your hand to it.
The “Bismuth Plan” makes it clear that the Haredi public has no intention of taking part with us in the existential requirement of Israel’s security. Its stated purpose: “regulating the status of yeshiva students.” The central concern of the Haredi leadership is restoring budgets and emptying the draft requirement of all substance, without any responsibility for enlarging the ranks of the army so that it can continue to fight and win on all fronts. The Haredi leadership demands that no fighters be drafted, that there be no oversight of the yeshivot, and that anyone who wishes—whether learning or not—will find in them a city of refuge. Not one of their leaders has declared that he will encourage or even merely permit his flock—even those who are not studying—to go to the army. All of them, as one, declare: no one will be drafted. Can we lend our hand to this great deception?
The minimal and clear principles necessary to ensure the enlistment of the Haredi public—principles that include drafting fighters according to the army’s needs, oversight and enforcement solely by the army, and preventing any direct or indirect state funding until there is actual enlistment according to the army’s requirements—must serve as conditions for your support for any legislation. We implore you to prevent the “Bismuth Plan,” which constitutes a severe blow to security, an abdication of responsibility, an evasion of basic obligations, and a violation of the Torah by which our loved ones lived and fell.
You stand at a historic moment. You are our emissaries! You must not lend a hand to severe harm to the security of the state and to the resilience of our community, which is ready at any moment to go out and defend it, even at the risk of life. Do not betray our shared values; stand tall and speak in the name of the Torah of the Land of Israel! We place our trust in you—do not disappoint!
Avi Baruch, Father of Adi Odaya HY”D
Avivit Granot, Mother of Amitai HY”D
Ayelet Silberg, Mother of Netanel HY”D
Elad and Devora Saadon, Parents of Hallel HY”D
Voli Wolfstal, Father of Ariel HY”D
Asaf Halamish, Father of Zohar HY”D
Effie Shoham, Father of Yuval Z”L
Benny Fleischman and Noy Fleischman Stavistky, Family of Yinon HY”D
Benzi Shamir, Father of Moti HY”D
Galit Waldman, Mother of Ariel ben Moshe HY”D
Jennifer, Meira and Aminadav Bloom, Family of Gavriel HY”D
HaRav Benny Kalmenzon, Father of Elchanan HY”D
Hagay Lober, Father of Yehonatan HY”D
Chaya Hexter, Mother of Yakir HY”D
Chaim and Lali Deri, Parents of Saadia HY”D
Tova and Ariel Shenkolevsky, Parents of Yakir HY”D
Yair, Sara and Shira Shwartz, Parents of David HY”D
Yonatan Slotki, Brother of Yishai HY”D and Noam HY”D
Yael and Shai Elboim, Parents of Sariya HY”D
Israel and Avital Chen, Parents of Dror HY”D
Carmit Pizam, Mother of Shai Uriel HY”D
Michal and David Zafrani, Parents of Itai HY”D
Miriam and Aharon Haber, Parents of Zechariah HY”D
Marc Abitbol, Father of Eliav HY”D
Moshe Shapira, Father of Aner HY”D
Nevo Har Even, Brother of Shilo HY”D
Adi Gealdor, Widow of Omer HY”D
Uzi Rozensweig, Father of Eitan HY”D
Pesi Gordon, Widow of Naftali HY”D
Tzvi Zussman, Father of Ben HY”D
Tzvika Greenglick, Father of Shauli HY”D
Tzofia Dickstein, Mother of Ivri HY”D
Rachel Goldberg, Widow of Rav Avi Goldberg HY”D
Riki Berkowitz, Mother of Eyal Meir HY”D
Sagit Biton, Mother of Yakir HY”D
Shmulik and Michal Negri, Parents of Roee HY”D
Yaakov Hershkovitz, Father of Yossi HY”D
Martine Ben Harush, Mother of Shoam Moshe HY”D
Yael Arbel Mother of Gideon Chai Derowe HY”D
Look at Gemara Sotah first perek (around daf ches) about sending bachurim to the army for מלחמת מצוה
@Simcha – No one here other than a few of us care about this. This wasn’t worth posting. All it will do is lead to is the triumverate speaking ill of the deceased and the RZ community.
These signatories and their so-called letter are utter fools. A bunch of am haaratzim.
If they weren’t Jewish they could credibly be charged with antisemitism.
Avos perek 3 mishna 6 says (if necessary) one can absolve from government responsibilities and from earning a living and just study torah (and rely on a miracle). the brackets are Rambam and Kehati. i say this as a soldier currently deployed in the IDF
if these signatures are true: couldn’t have happened to more deserving reshoyim. thank you for showing the world more proof that “yesh din v’yesh Dayan”. As the Rambam says, “drink and feast to celebrate the death of such evildoers”
May all those who promote such gezera ruos meet a swift and peaceful eradication as per the blessing of “v’al malshinin”
I could think of better things to do לעילוי נשמת the fallen הי״ד than to use them to promote controversy, but I agree with ZSK about the “merits” of posting this here.
The sad truth is that most of the current government, and certainly the opposition waiting in the wings for the “Bismuth Plan” to fail or be shot down by the SC, couldn’t care less about the RZ or the Chareidim, only about their own political career. Most of the Supreme Court, who are the ones who actually make the decisions, downright despise the RZ, as much as the Chareidim.
As much as THEY despise the Chareidim.
Meaning as much as the Supreme Court despise the Chareidim.
ברחל בתך הקטנה
ujm – Brilliant, ingenious argument. That will show them. Get a life.
ujm – Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing. Especially since this letter is mainly for internal RZ purposes and will not make any difference in real life, for reasons you won’t understand.
feel very bad for the signatories
they have my deepest sympathies
so do the fallen people themselves
and I appreciate immensely their sacrifice
but all sympathies aside
they are not neurosurgeons
so will not ask their advice about matters neurosurgery
even if they happen to offer their advice unsolicited
nor will I be swayed if they are misusing their victimhood , their hardship , or their sacrifice or however else one may correctly describe it
as leverage for me to accept their opinion on matters which they are absolutely unqualified to give advice on, such as neurosurgery .
to form an accurate assessment about neurosurgery I will consult the experts
and totally disregard the above attempts at emotional blackmail
as is attempted by this signed letter
like I will totally disregard politicians , opinion polls and even full democratic elections
for neurosurgery – only expert neurosurgeons’ opinions count
all the rest is nothing more than hevel ure’ut ruach
vehameivin yavin
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shalom to youfeel very bad for the signatories
they have my deepest sympathies
so do the fallen people themselves
and I appreciate immensely their sacrifice
but all sympathies aside
they are not neurosurgeons
so will not ask their advice about matters neurosurgery
even if they happen to offer their advice unsolicited
nor will I be swayed if they are misusing their victimhood , their hardship , or their sacrifice or however else one may correctly describe it
as leverage for me to accept their opinion on matters which they are absolutely unqualified to give advice on, such as neurosurgery .
to form an accurate assessment about neurosurgery I will consult the experts
and totally disregard the above attempts at emotional blackmail
as is attempted by this signed letter
like I will totally disregard politicians , opinion polls and even full democratic elections
for neurosurgery – only expert neurosurgeons’ opinions count
all the rest is nothing more than hevel ure’ut ruach
vehameivin yavin
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.UJM said:
“If they weren’t Jewish, they could credibly be charged with antisemitism.”
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MY RESPONSE:Ironically, those words are an excellent description of UJM!
Especially when he attempts to spread his stupid & wicked idea
of dismantling The State of Israel and the Israeli Army,
which makes him a RODAIF and a MOSAIR
against >8,000,000 Jews who live in Eretz Yisrael.Some people say that “every accusation is a confession”,
and UJM’s recent comment is a good example of that principle.I think discussing merits of Torah learning instead of serving is unbecoming – as it is clear, and and was expressed here to, that most proponents of not serving are in reality against anyone from their community to serve, whether they are learning or not. Thus, any such discussion is based on lies – just a red herring argument and is a disgracement of True Torah Learning. Those who follow this argument think that any argument is OK when dealing with anti-Torah establishment. So, if you seriously argue against their fake position, you are being treated as anti-Torah.
Joseph Goebbels,
You should be tuned over to Germany for prosecution as an anti-Semitic Nazi, just like your close relative was. You’re not even Jewish.
My Hashem please heal their pain and also teach them the unadulterated truth of His Torah.
As Rav Elchonon wrote, “Religious Zionism” is religion mixed with idolatry.As well, one wonders how this letter fits with the three quintessential qualities of a Jew: Baishanim, rachamanim and gomlei chasadim.
“The minimal and clear principles necessary to ensure the enlistment of the Haredi public—principles that include drafting fighters according to the army’s needs, oversight and enforcement solely by the army, and **preventing any direct or indirect state funding until there is actual enlistment** according to the army’s requirements—must serve as conditions for your support for any legislation.”
In other words, unless they agree to shmad themselves in the Zionist army (no matter the framework), the letter writers are requesting that the “State” let not their children attend school/childcare, let not their mothers be able to work, so let them all starve.
It doesn’t fit, of course.
@ujm it must be nice being the only Jew in the world with correct opinions, and awfully convenient that everyone who disagrees with you is a kofer and an anti semite.
When someone comes to convert, we ask them to accept 2 things –
1. Torah and mitzvos
2. To be part of Am Ysrael
You can’t have one without the other. If you call for rejecting anyone who you don’t like, and other such nonesense you’re being motzi yourself from the klal.
Particularly families of Kedoshim who are genuinely calling for change.
You should go to the rehabilitation ward of Tel Hashomer, find a wounded soldier, and kiss his feet in gratitude for saving klal yisroel, and then all the Rabbis who slander Israel and the army should go out befarhesia and beg for mechillah.This is in response to the negative comments made by some. I don’t know what kind of Jews you claim to be or what kind of Torah you claim to know, but to insult the parents of deceased IDF soldiers is a new low, simply deplorable. Do you think for one second The Satmar Rav, Rav Shach, Rav Ovadia, Rav Elyashiv, Rav Aaron Kotler, the Chazon Ish or the Steipler Gaon, זכר צדיקים לברכה or any non-zionist Rabbi would use such language about these people? Of course, because they understood the mitzvah to love of one’s fellow Jew. If you cannot find in your heart to grasp this idea, at least try to emulate your own teachers and Torah leaders.
I’m not going to discuss the matter of army service for Hareidim in Israel, the signatories of the letter expressed themselves better than I could. I personally know two of these the families, Deri and Lober, may they be comforted. They are wonderful people who live in the heartland of Eretz Yisrael al pi Torat Yisrael. My eldest son and my son-law served in miluim and one of my sons was in the Paratroops for the entire war. B”H they made it home unharmed (physically at least). Sadly many others did not. So many Jews in Chutz L’Aretz and even some here in Israel have no concept of the pain and sacrifices made those of us whose children serve in the IDF.
We don’t settle and build up E”Y just for a place to live. We don’t send our sons to the Army and daughters to Sherut Leumi just to protect and assist ourselves. We do it for all Jews. For Jews in Bnai Brak and Beit Shemesh, for the Jews in Ramat Aviv and Haifa. For the Jews in Brooklyn, Boca Raton and Lakewood. We do it even the ones who don’t appreciate it.
Yaakov Yosef: It is mandatory that every Torah Jew to make a מְחָאָה against an attack on Bnei Torah, as the above signatories publicly committed in this letter.
To chaim_baruch
Beautifully said and I have nothing to add.
putting aside the army issue, but this letter and many other reports that I have seen claim that charedim are not contributing members to society.
” …exempt from basic partnership in shouldering the burdens of security and of economic and social contributions to the public.”
Last I checked, many charedi males work, almost all females work, and all of them pay heavy taxes besides for the Meah Shearim camp, which is a drop in the bucket. so to say that we are not involved economically…
(Being involved socially, I don’t even know what that means.)lol
harav hatsadiq hagaon hagadol r somejew , paskened that those people who gave their life
to shield their brothers from somejews friends ‘good and peaceful’ intentions
are resha’im ,
without even knowing any of them in a personal way
he thinks he knows better than rav chaim shmulevits zatsal who clearly
categorized them as harugei lud
who sit in gan eden and ein kol beryah yachol la’amod bemechitsatam
that is an excellent indication about the rest of somejew’s utter drivel
he routinely publishes
under the false guise as representing the torah
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.chaim_baruch:
The Zionist propaganda that you believe is, of course, totally wrong.
When you choose to serve, or send others to serve, in that army, that has exactly one and only one “benefit”: following the commands of your Zionist (and its “State”) overlords . That’s it, unless you also happen to save some Jewish lives while in that army.While it’s very nice of you to think that you and others are doing so for other Jews, the fact is that this mistaken feeling is simply a result of the pathetic but overpowering propaganda (i.e., lies) that the Zionists have foisted on you and the world.
Any other country in which Jews live is far safer than the Zionist paradise (which is the greatest cause of antisemitism in history). On 10/7, as everyone knows, the savages breached the Zionists’ billion shekel wall in over 100 places. If anyone had any illusions that the Zionist paradise was somehow a safe haven, then that should have disabused them of that silly notion.
Besides, on a reality-level (the “spiritual” level, if you will), we have a mesorah that American is the last station for Torah in galus. As well, the Zionists have ramped up their attacks on the Torah and its followers like never before in their calamitous and never-peaceful history.
So, if you and others choose to worship at the altar of Zionist idolatry and heresy and think that, as the Zionists claim in their “Jerusalem Program” that the future of the Jewish people is dependent on a secure “State” of “Israel”, that still has no bearing on the reality which is, of course, very different.
CasualReader:
He’s very far from the only one, but, regardless, in the days of the shoftim, there were only 300 people who didn’t bow to the baal idol. This idol (Zionism) is also unfortunately very wide-spread.chaim_baruch:
Regardless of the rest of your comment, I thought that this was worth highlighting:
“They are wonderful people who live in the heartland of Eretz Yisrael al pi Torat Yisrael.”In “Religious Zionist” parlance, this typically means that they are “settlers”, meaning that they live in the disputed territories. By far, that is the most dangerous place on the planet where Jews live. Rav Shach forbade living there as a “hisgarus gasa baUmos haOlam”. So, no, living there “in the heartland of E”Y” is not “al pi Torat Yisrael”, and not only according to Rav Shach.
As Rav Elchonon wrote, “Religious Zionism” is religion and idolatry beShituf.
It is “al pi” that, not the Torah.
Yaakov Yosef A:
A letter posted to this site is no longer just for “internal RZ purposes”. His response was, of course, to it being posted here, not to their “internal purposes”.My prediction was right.
@CasualReader – Don’t ask ujm, HaKatan or somejew to do that. They’ll spit on the soldiers instead.HaKatan:
Where do I begin.
1. Calling any part of E”Y “disputed territories” is pure kfira. Or have you not read Shemos 6:8 “…. I will give it to you for a possession, I Hashem.”
2. Claiming Judea and Samaria are the most dangerous places on the planet where Jews live is also factually inaccurate. Especially when you consider Jews still live in Yeman, Iran, Egypt, South Africa, Paris, London, Dublin, Toronto, Montreal, NYC, LA, and Dearborn, Michigan.
3. Rav Elchonon HY”D views on Zionism are over 84 years old. We have no idea what he would have said regarding the modern State of Israel and the settler movement. Had he lived, he most likely would have come on Aliyah.
4. I challenge your claim Rav Shach zt”l forbade living in Judea and Samaria. I want a source in his words, not yours. Have you never heard of Beitar Illit, Modiin Illit (aka Kiryat Sefer), Moshav Matisyahu, Tel Tzion, Immanuel or Givat Zeev with it’s large Karlin Stolin community? Are they not living “al pi Torah”?
What about the Jews living in neighborhoods in Jerusalem recaptured in 1967? Such as Neve Yaakov, Ramat Shlomo, or the Old City and the Kotel Are they not living “al pi Torah”
What about all the Jews that visit Kever Rachel and Hevron? I suppose they too are not living “al pi Torah” because of the “sakana”
HaKatan, Your strawman argument regarding yishuv haaretz is not only flimsy, it’s in flames.
@yankel-berel
Rav Chaim Shmulevitz was expressing his emotions. He obviously was not making a halachic pronouncement that they are equivalent. This is so silly. Ask any LOR and none will say like that story from Rav Chaim Shmulevitz.
@ZSK
Nobody spit on their soldiers; don’t lie.guys, don’t get the bait from the several posters posting nonsense. everyone already know what they’ll post. By addressing them on such sensitive issues you might (1) violate one of the halochos of LH – praising someone who is not considered 100% tzaddik by everyone in the world as you are causing someone to respond negatively (2) by diverting conversation to the trolls, we are not discussing underlying issues (3) this also turns away both readers and posters who might have contributed to the discussion
serious comment: regardless of what anyone thinks of the merits of the letter, it is reflecting what some of the public that is generally religious thinks.
it should matter to everyone. What words or actions can change that?for example, a sephardi charedi politicians replied to an accusation – “we are davening for soldiers 3 times a day”. I don’t know whether this sentiment will move the public by itself, but even that may be said bysome non-Sephardim only conditionally – “we are saying tehilim and keeping soldiers quietly in mind”. Maybe saying something – anything – explicitly – could be a step in the right direction?
@always_ask_questions
As mentioned in my last comment in this thread, I also daven for the soldiers, both zionist and hamas soldiers, three times a day.I said you would, not that you did. Improve your reading comprehension.
Chaim Baruch: Exactly right. However, the antizionist triumverate here cannot grasp any of this from their bubble.
HaKatan: It is very telling when you refer to IDF soldiers as “their soldiers”. And again, I did not say you did, I said you would and I stand by that.
“1. Calling any part of E”Y “disputed territories” is pure kfira. Or have you not read Shemos 6:8 “…. I will give it to you for a possession, I Hashem.””
Actually, it is “Religious Zionism” that is pure kefira. Since you are quoting from Shemos, I assume, then, you have not read the rest of the Torah where Hashem states that he will expel them from the land, which is what He did almost 2,000 years ago and will return us all there when Mashiach comes.
The political entity that is the “State” of Israel is anyways totally unrelated to any of the above, of course.2. The “West Bank” is far more dangerous, as has been sadly proven far too often ever since the Zionists conquered that territory.
3. Actually, we have a very clear idea of exactly what Rav Elchonon would say. It’s published in his sefer, of course. In fact, “Religious Zionism” has become even more fanatical and idolatrous since that time. For example, Rabbi Kook explicitly did not permit for violence in creating a “State”, while the reality was that it took massive violence and human sacrifice of Jews to establish that “State”, while the junior Rabbi Kook decided that everything in that “State” is holy including its weaponry and all the rest. SMH.
4. Go ask his students and all competent LORs. Besides, you anyways cannot compare those living in “the heartland”, surrounded by hordes of bloodthirsty savages, to communities that are barely over the Green Line.
And visiting Chevron and the like are very, very, very different than living there, of course.
Your attempt to claim “Religious Zionist” idolatry as Torah values will simply not work.
@ZSK:
Zionist soldiers are indeed “their” soldiers. They are soldiers of the Zionist army, which is a foreign entity. That’s not at all complicated.
And, yes, you lied and also accused falsely.HaKatan – “A letter posted to this site is no longer just for “internal RZ purposes”. His response was, of course, to it being posted here, not to their “internal purposes”.
זאל זיין געזונט, the ORIGINAL LETTER was NOT posted here. The real purpose of the letter is to put pressure on certain RZ politicians who are seen in their own tzibbur as being too close to the Chareidim and not tough enough on Netanyahu. The chances that this letter, emotional though it may be, will actually make a difference at the end of the day to the draft law itself, is quite slim, and the writers know it. Some well-meaning person posted it here (for what תועלת I’m not sure, because no one on either side is going to change their stance on this issue because of something like this), and the usual suspects right away began to pounce… Anyone with any amount of empathy, no matter how strongly he is opposed to the positions expressed in the letter, easily understands that even were you to encounter the original author of the original letter there is ZERO חיוב מחאה here, and certainly ABSOLUTE ZERO תועלת to be מוחה. But go explain that to someone who doesn’t have any empathy. Someone who sits on his toilet seat and dreams of endangering the life of millions of Yidden in the name of his warped NK uber-Kanoi ideology rejected even by Satmar.
HaKatan – “The “West Bank” is far more dangerous, as has been sadly proven far too often ever since the Zionists conquered that territory.”
A quick perusal of Chaim Baruch’s list reveals that you consider the home of almost half a million Yidden to be “far more dangerous” than:
Yemen (a dangerous place to be a Goy, let alone a Yid)
Iran (you must have some protekzia there, do you?)
Egypt (a little less likely to be killed than the previous two, but watch your back)
South Africa (tell them you aren’t a Zionist, really NOT a Zionist, maybe paint your face black)
Paris and London (capitals of the second and third nuclear armed Muslim states respectively)
Dublin, Toronto, Montreal, NYC, LA, and Dearborn, Michigan.
He forgot Chicago, although the gang members there are probably equal opportunity murderers.
So good luck, and don’t forget to buy a good Israeli made “Shachpatz” before you go move to Yemen or Dearborn or wherever…
rav shach never paskened its assur to live in judea and samaria
rav shach advised many private individuals who consulted him against it as being an unwise decision for them
kiryat sefer is a major litvish town just across the green line ….
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.Rav chaim shmulevits said this in his famous shmuessen compiled in sichot mussar , printed there at the end of the sefer
this was said in front of hundreds of talmidei hahamim who especially came to hear what the correct torah hashkafa is
this was not a few words overheard in a private conversation and possibly taken out of context
this is a clear directive from one of the gdolei hador , said specifically about the current reality
of a medina made by zionists and millions of ahenu bnei yisrael threatened by genocidal barbarians
if …. and that seems to be a very big “if” …..
if you are genuinely thirsty to learn about the correct torah approach
to this complicated situation we find ourselves in
then you should take this clear directive to the current situation [!] to heart
rav chaim was baki bechol hatora
rav chaim was a pikeach atsum
rav chaim was a yerei shamayim muflag
rav chaim was talking about the current situation
and more
you do not have to employ your own reasoning at all
you can take his directive to heart ….
as a reminder of what rav chaim said in a public shmuess attended by hundrerds of talmidei hahamim :
rav chaim shmulevits zatsal clearly
categorized them as harugei lud
who sit in gan eden and ein kol beryah yachol la’amod bemechitsatam
this is printed in sichot mussar towards the end
so much for the utter drivel we read from the false posters who go by the name of ujm , somejew and katan ….
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.UJM said this on 2025 November 30 at 1:00 PM
in a discussion titled “Letter From Bereaved Families”:“These signatories and their so-called letter are utter fools.
A bunch of am haaratzim.”__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Our Torah prohibits causing distress or aggravation to widows and orphans.
When did it become permitted for UJM to
publicly mock and ridicule widows and orphans?What the name and location of the living Rosh HaYeshivah or Posek
who gave UJM permission to publicly mock and ridicule widows and orphans?When did it become permitted for UJM
to publicly mock and ridicule Jewish parents
who suffer from the devastating agony
that results from the death of a child?What the name and location of the living Rosh HaYeshivah or Posek
who gave UJM permission to publicly mock and ridicule Jewish parents
who suffer from the devastating agony that results from the death of a child?According to our Torah, what is the PUNISHMENT for someone like UJM
who intentionally causes unnecessary aggravation
and emotional distress to innocent widows and orphans?According to our Torah, what is the PUNISHMENT for someone like UJM
who inflicts Onaas Devarim on grieving Jewish parents?the shoteh who calls himself somejew claims he davens for the ‘soldiers’ of hamas ….
which ones ?
those that bake jewish babies in ovens …. ?
those that gouge out the eyes of the jewish children in front of their mothers ?
those that directly target my own civilian brothers and sisters [and somejew’s too] ?
those that blow up teenagers at restaurants in jerusalem ?
or those that murder a yidishe kalla the night before her chuppa ?
or those that murder the only child from an elderly couple who is pregnant with her first child ?
or those who slashed the throat of the fogel newborn whose home in the yishuv in shomron they invaded ?
am plainly disgusted by the shoteh who calls himself somejew ….
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.“Zionist soldiers are indeed “their” soldiers. They are soldiers of the Zionist army, which is a foreign entity. That’s not at all complicated.
And, yes, you lied and also accused falsely.”You missed my point which doesn’t need elaboration, but I’ll state it clearly: You’ve written yourself out of Am Yisrael and everything implied by such.
And you would spit on soldiers as would your pals. I have no doubt about that.
somejewiknow, was this a typo?!
“As mentioned in my last comment in this thread, I also daven for the soldiers, both zionist AND HAMAS soldiers, three times a day.”
UJM & HaKatan & SomeJewIKnow should admit that
Yankel Berel is smarter than all 3 of them combined.Instead of arguing with Yankel Berel, they should LISTEN to him!
As usual you didn’t even read what I wrote:
“May all those who promote such gezera ruos meet a swift and peaceful eradication as per the blessing of “v’al malshinin””That is my “three times a day” tefila for both hamas and zionist soldiers.
Shimon: somejew obviously means he davens for the Hamas sodiers defeat and destruction.
Hopefully you do as well.
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