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somejew and ujm called hamas’ murderers— soldiers
thats like calling mengele or the ss campguards —- soldiers
they are not soldiers at all
they are plain criminals
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somejew supported by ujm claims now that he prays for ‘soldiers’ from both sides to be ‘peacefully eradicated’ …..
have some question for somejew …. that is after I finished laughing about his “peaceful eradication” …..
would somejew also pray for ‘soldiers’ from both sides to be ‘peacefully eradicated’ during the second world war ?
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.ujm – “somejew obviously means he davens for the Hamas sodiers defeat and destruction.”
He said what he means and even clarified a second time. We’re taking him at his word.
Yaakov Yosef A:
Of places with significant (even minority) Jewish populations, not desert islands and not places with mere remnants of the same thanks to Zionist agitation and/or other reasons: as stated and as is obvious to all, the “West Bank” (if you want to exclude its periphery, then that’s fine, but doesn’t matter either way) is by far the most dangerous for Jews.Yankel Berel:
That one line that he printed was an emotional cry, not a serious point of halacha. Obviously, according to everybody – RCS included -, they are not like harugei lud. Please follow the Torah and its values and don’t be ridiculous.ZSK:
As mentioned, you continue to lie and accuse falsely. But if by “Am Yisrael”, you mean the pseudo-nation invented by the Zionists then, yes, most of us here are not part of that pseudo-nation.hakatan
lol.
that was RCS ‘s clear shittah al pi torah , mentioned in front of hundreds of talmidei hahamim
who especially came to hear the torah’s hashkafa about the complicated situation we find ourselves in
repeatedly denying the obvious is not going to make reality disappear …
the difference between your approach and mine – is , that you employ the ‘ostrich policy’
whatever you do not like , simply does not exist
whereas the normal healthy approach is that there is a place for a variety of views on the same topic ….
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.Yankel: Why do you insist upon lying? I never called Hamas anything of the sort.
HaKatan – I don’t live in the West Bank, but I have a daughter and son-in-law who do. (Real West Bank ר״ל, not Kiryat Sefer…) Personally, I would feel safer there than in Mamadani’s New York, and I don’t see America in general moving in a good direction.
YYA: You feel safer there, by comparison, despite October 7 and constant murders, maiming and attacks on Jews every few months to year or two for the last 77+ years?
micro,
You should be banned from posting anything until you call out your NK (Nazi Kapo) buddies for their vile behavior against the Gadol Hador.
You tried to dance around this by writing, “there is no need to condemn the obvious”. Yet you also wrote “we don’t run our lives based on what people claim gedolim say. We ask our rav or rebbi who has a real mesorah from a real rebbi…going all the way back”.
What you really meant is that you, just like NK, don’t hold of him as Gadol Hador. Until you explicitly acknowledge their unacceptable public desecration, you have no right to criticize anyone!
yankel berel:
It’s actually the opposite. The “ostritch” mode would be more like what you did: ignore every gadol who clearly held not like that, and ignore the Torah that clearly holds not like that, and latch unto a statement he made when he was clearly emotional.Would you really like it spelled out, and anger all the Zionist idolaters? Go ahead and point out where and how the Torah could possibly hold that a godless atheist who could have been violating all three of the gimmel chamuros shortly before he was killed could possibly be considered harugei lud. Please don’t be ridiculous.
ujm’s post from December 5, 2025 12:55 pm on page one of this thread :
somejew obviously means he davens for the Hamas soldiers defeat and destruction.
Hopefully you do as well.
—-ujm and somejew call hamas murderers by the unearned moniker of “soldiers” ….
thats like calling mengele or the ss camp guards —- soldiers
they are not soldiers at all
they are plain criminals
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.HaKatan – Until you prove you and your ilk would not go and spit on soldiers, I have no reason to believe otherwise. You have no chezkas kashrus.
You know what I mean by Am Yisrael. Don’t play games with me.
ujm – October 7 happened in “Green Line Israel”, and many of the people harmed believed (until then) in a “one state solution”, just like you do…
“Constant murders etc.” also were mostly inside the “Green Line”.
But yes, we feel safer here, because of the additional השגחה פרטית and סייעתא דשמיא of being בהיכל המלך.
In Germany in the 1920s few if any Jews were killed. The Jews there felt very safe, and felt sorry for the poor Yidden in ארץ ישראל who suffered from numerous terror attacks already then. So you can trust in Trump or whichever politicians or Askonim you hold of, and we will trust in Hashem. Not the IDF, not Bibi, only Hashem Himself.
YYA: Your point is redundant. The Yidden in Chutz La’aretz also trust in Hashem. And in only Hashem. No one else.
More evidence that the Agudath Israel organization is pro-Israel:
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Yeshivah World News said this:In response to Hamas’ October 7 [2023] atrocities and Israel’s war
against terrorism, Agudath Israel of America is organizing an ongoing
“Virtual Washington Mission” to impress upon the nation’s elected officials
the importance of their continued support for Israel and to solicit their aid
in helping to address the security challenges currently facing American Jews.Agudath Israel’s Washington Office has worked closely with the organization’s
nationwide regional offices to coordinate the virtual meetings with
over 30 senators and congresspersons. And more are being arranged.
Some members expressed their desire to have in-person meetings,
which were convened in their home districts.The agenda of these meetings has included the need for Congress
to back up Israel’s rooting out of Hamas, to condemn and isolate
the terrorist group, the safeguarding the hostages, and to quickly
pass legislation to provide Israel the military aid it urgently needs.In addition, the activists are expressing concern regarding the
dramatic uptick in antisemitic incidents in the U.S., particularly
those experienced by Jewish students on America’s college campuses,
and urged the members to support a substantial increase in federal
security grants that support shuls, schools and other community institutions.The mission’s participants include hundreds of rabbinic and
lay leaders across the country, all meeting with their respective
members of Congress. Participants report that the reaction
of the senators and congresspersons has been overwhelmingly
positive, and receptive to the Jewish community leaders’
perspective and message. The members of Congress stressed
how important it is that they hear from their constituents at this time,
and how every individual who reaches out to a congressmember makes an impact.The meetings have led to tangible results including members
of Congress co-sponsoring legislation, reaching out to University deans,
and in one case, authoring a letter to Secretary Blinken asking him
to arrange a screening of the Israeli video featuring the brutality
of Hamas’ October 7th attacks for members of Congress and the media.“Everyone needs to understand that now is the time to talk to
your elected officials in Washington,” said Rabbi Yossie Charner,
Agudath Israel’s director of congressional affairs.“For every PRO-ISRAEL call a congressional office receives,
we have been told that it gets even more from the other side.
We, as both an organization and as constituents,
must make our voices heard.SOURCE: article titled: “Standing With Israel: Agudath Israel’s Virtual Washington Mission”
2023 November 13 by The Yeshiva World [News]KGN said this in the YWN Coffee Room on 2025 January 10:
“Some Jews have a hatred against Medinat Yisrael that is so great
that they have no other focus other than this.Thus, some Jews have dedicated their lives to dismantling of Medinat Yisrael,
even at the expense of the lives of millions of Jews….”ujm – So why are you so “worried” about us? Why do we need you and your Iranian and NK friends to come up with ideas how to “help” us? Just let the Ribbono Shel Olam take care of it, and stop trying to give Him ideas how to “save” us…
YYA: No idea what you’re hallucinating. It has no relevance to anything I said.
Katan objects to listening to rav chaim shmelevits’ statements in a shiur to hundreds of talmidie hahamim who especially came to hear the torah viewpoint ….
because rav chaim was emotianal ….
katan does not know that rav chaim was emotional when he stated that … katan desperately wants to believe that ….
but even if we will take katan at face value , which we should not …
so what if rav chaim became emotional at the time ….
does katan not listen to satmar rav when SR is emotional …. ?
such an inflexible , blind , double standard and crooked approach ….
does at least katan himself believe that katan is fair , honest and reality based ?
hope so , because none of his readers are ….
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.Rabbi Uri Pilichowski (“a self-declared Brisker”) said:
“The existence of anti-Zionist Jews troubles the Zionist community
for numerous reasons, but most of all because they provide support
for the anti-Semites of the world who mask their Jew-hatred
with the ‘legitimate’ veneer of anti-Zionism.”SOURCE: article titled: “Who are the anti-Zionist Jews?”
by Rabbi Uri Pilichowski, 2024 August 18, Jewish News Syndicate: www (dot) JNS (dot) org__________________________________________
TRANSLATION:The anti-Zionist Jews make it much easier for all Jews-haters
to propagandize against Israel directly and ALL JEWS indirectly.The anti-Zionist Jews are a Public Relations (PR) disaster for ALL JEWS,
and they make the propaganda of the Jews-haters UNSTOPPABLE!@yankel-berel
you’re attack on @Hakatan is absurd. it’s not very difficult: we have a Torah to keep. Either R’ shmilevitz was wrong or he was being poetic (“emotional”). No one (except you) claims he was a kofer and endorsing another religion.your defense of @Hakatan is absurd.
it’s not very difficult: we have a Torah to keep.
In that torah it clearly says to listen to the talmidei hahamim .
Like Rav Shmulevitz.
Listening to Rav Chaim includes — not falsely and absurdly claiming that rav chaim was ‘wrong or poetic’
Listening means exactly that – LISTENING .
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.No one (except you and katan) is hypocritical in accepting satmar rav’s ’emotional’ statements and in the same breath
reject rav chaims supposedly ’emotional’ statements ….
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SJ: It’s not absurd. His point, which was obvious, is that HaKatan is a flaming hypocrite. Which is true.
Yankel: You’re being hypocritical. You’re claiming it can’t be that Rav Shmuelevitz was intentionally making an emotional point without intending to make a halachic point. According to you Rav Shmuelevitz isn’t allowed to intend to do something like being intentionally poetic; and according to you if someone else says that’s what Rav Shmuelevitz intended, then that person is refusing to LISTEN to a Talmid Chochom. (Never mind another Talmid Chochom might disagree.)
But then YOU hypocritically claim when it comes to a different Talmid Chochom, namelythe Satmar Rebbe, YOU CAN claim it was emotional and therefore NOT LISTEN TO A TALMID CHOCHOM (the SR), as you claim regarding others in reference to Rav Shmuelevitz.
hypocritical ujm is projecting his own hypocrisy on his opponents … how convenient ….
lets face the facts …
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.I did never dismissed SR statements as ’emotional’ and therefore not authoritative…
katan , somejew and ujm do that to rav chaim shmulevits , however ….
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.my position is unchanging and clear
it is a machloket between the rabbanim …
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.it clearly is hypocritical to dismiss rav chaim as ’emotional’ , ‘poetic’ or ‘wrong’ and a second later accept SR emotional statements
as the only valid expression of torah misinai
this is hypocritical and remains hypocritical , no matter the attempted mental acrobatics to make it appear otherwise ….
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rav chaim is delivering a serious lecture about the correct torah way in a formal setting to hundreds of serious torah scholars …
all other details of rav chaims teachings , compiled , printed and widely disseminated , and widely studied are to be taken seriously and listened to …
it happens to be that the passage , which incidentally happens not find favor in ujm’s eyes …..
also happens to be the only passage which was ‘poetic’ … and therefore not to be listened to …
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interesting coincidence …..
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It’s much more absurd than that. The Satmar Rebbe was very explicit and adamant that what he taught, published, and dedicated much of his life to was very much halacha lemaaseh. Beyond that he had the full agreement of a large majority of Gedolim and only minor disagreement on some edge cases with others.
Regarding the claim against Rav Shmuelevitz, it was a one-time remark that had no practical applicable intent when it was delivered and had no parallel in the rest of his teachings. There is little issue in either saying he was wrong and/or he didn’t mean it literally.
Beyond this, we Jews are obligated to keep the Torah, and a single coment by a Gadol cannot uproot Torah. At worse, if the evils of the zionist heretics on this site were to be believed, he would be a zuken mamre, chsv”sh.It’s much more absurd than that. The Satmar Rebbe was very explicit and adamant that what he taught, published, and dedicated much of his life to was very much halacha lemaaseh.
So was rav chaim zatsal.
Beyond that the SR did not have the full agreement of the large majority of Gedolim .
SR zatsal was clearly of the minority.
There is no claim whatsoever against Rav Shmuelevitz chas veshalom.
There is a severe claim however against somejew and ujm who falsify the torah , by their blatant revisionism and
clear ignoring of pertinent facts and realities.
Rav Chaims remark was part of a serious lecture about the correct torah way in a formal setting to hundreds of serious torah scholars …
with very much practical applicable intent and had many parallels in the rest of his teachings.
There is huge issue in either saying he was wrong or that he didn’t mean it literally. This is a clear falsification of the torah …
Beyond this, we Jews are obligated to keep the Torah, and
even a single comment by a Gadol is a clear directive of Torah , which all yehudim are supposed to listen to.
Somejew’s comments uttered in a context of a bet hagadol of lishkat hagazit would amply qualify him as a zuken mamre.
That’s besides the vile attempt to smear the holy rav chaim as a zaken mamreh chas veshalom …
Kol hamevazheh talmid haham ein terufah lemakato ….
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.I suppose you’re trying to throw as much of your own dirt around to see what might stick, as you’re grabbing on to half-baked claims and straw man desperations.
In any case, besides two specific points in haluch (voting and taking money from the medina) you won’t find any Gadol in Torah that was cholek on Satmar Rebbe. If I am missing something, please let me know.Rav Shmuelewitz was not an influential posek, so there is obviously no one cholek on him for any major psak.
If Rav Shmuelewitz was indeed paskining a chiddish against Satmar Rebbe (who was then the Rebbe of and Av Beis Din of Yerushalayim where Rav Shmuelewitz lived) or against Agudah’s other leadership. he would have spelled out the Torah rational for such a psak (as every posek is obligated to do when being michadesh against the norm). If he did do that, please let me know where it can be found.
@yankel-berel, I don’t understand how even tie your own shoes, as your foolishness is embarrassing. You somehow pretend the Satmar Rebbe, who was primarily a world renowned posek, was in fact a poetic mashpiah is his (not binding?) sifrei haluche. And Rav Shmuelewitz, who was a world renowned rosh yeshiva, was in fact a substantive posek!Are you also confused which hand is your right or left?
satmar rav was not a ‘world renowned posek’ as you put it …
rather he was a world renowned rebbe and tzaddiq and leader of his community
who also happened to answer she’elot and publish them
his psakim in halacha do not have the same acceptance all over klal yisrael like shevet halavy for example or any of the other major poskim
any ways — whether the fallen israeli soldiers are comparable to harugei lud or not — is not a halacha question
it is a hashkafa question
on which rav chaim is not any less qualified to answer than satmar rav
rav chaim as a bachur entering rav chaim ozers bet din in vilna caused rav chaim ozer to stand up
when asked why the vilna rav stands for a young man like him , he answered how can I not stand up for the full vilna otsar hasfarim ….
so again
this leads us to the reality ….
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… that there are various and different viewpoints how to look at the medina and the soldiers al pi torah …
a reality you would do well to recognize …
it will enhance your credibility of all your other writings …..
btw rav chaims approach on this was not any different to most of agudah’s other rabbanim ….
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.satmar rav took the position of a major mashpia is formulating the correct – in his eyes – torah hashkafa vis a vis the medina
exactly the same area rav chaim also addressed .
both were different but valid expressions of torah hashkafa in re of the soldiers …
the word posek is irrelevant here
this is torah hashkafa
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.somefool,
“Rav Shmuelewitz was not an influential posek, so there is obviously no one cholek on him for any major psak.”
The opinion of the Satmar Rav, zt”l, regarding the State after 1948 was not accepted by the majority of Klal Yisrael or their leaders.
It is interesting how people who call on others to follow “gedolim” immediately start questioning “gedolim” who dared to disagree with them. Which supports my suspicion that these posters choose & pick – those gedolim who support their opinion.
Given these cognitive issues, my suggestion would be to choose an authority – and learn and follow him in everything. If you are following R Elchonon, please teach of more of R Elchonon Torah here, not just on one political issue; find yourself a rav who is a student of R Elchonon, follow him in all your hashkofos – including how you interact with people, ask him shailos – and let us know his answers. Same for Satmar.
Yankel: The issue regarding the permissibility of the Medina is a matter of *Psak* Halacha; it is not “merely” an issue of hashkafa.
on that sort of ‘psak’ — rav chaim is not any less qualified than satmar rav to paskan …
by the way – rav chaim was referring to the ma’aseh hatsala of the soldiers who risk their lives for the community’s safety
a major issue you obstinately ignore , again and again ….
rav chaim was not addressing the establishment of the medina at all , which is not a she’elah lema’aseh anyway as it is a fait accompli
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.“Given these cognitive issues, my suggestion would be to choose an authority – and learn and follow him in everything. If you are following R Elchonon, please teach of more of R Elchonon Torah here, not just on one political issue; find yourself a rav who is a student of R Elchonon, follow him in all your hashkofos – including how you interact with people, ask him shailos – and let us know his answers. Same for Satmar.“
Aaq,
Im happy YOU finally agree on something that the anti draft agree on
The bachurim who are being put in jail are only following their Rosh Hayeshiva and while they’re in Beis Medrash it seems like they follow him on all matters of Halacha so it’s perfectly upright for them to “draft dodge”
How to deal with the State post facto is also a matter of Psak Halacha.
rav chaim zatsal was addressing the status of the dead soldiers
not a matter of halacha at all ….
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.Joseph Goebbels,
“How to deal with the State post facto is also a matter of Psak Halacha”
What is the opinion of your fantasy posek, the made-up “Harav Yitzchok Ehrentreu of Gateshead”?
coffee > bachurim who are being put in jail are only following their Rosh Hayeshiva and while they’re in Beis Medrash it seems like they follow him on all matters of Halacha
right, those bachurim are more consistent than some posters here. I wish some of them post here so that we can see what they are thinking.
Going back 1-2 generations, I heard from a reasonably-charedi Rav that when he was in Mir, students often went to demonstrations. He asked a shaila from his Philly yeshiva and the answer was – when you see Rosh Yeshiva demonstrating, then go, otherwise – zits and learnt.
@GadolHadofi:
You’re making things up as usual. If any group behaved disrespectfully to any gadol haDor then that is obviously wrong. I am not familiar with the story you claim but, as stated, there is no need to condemn the obvious (as I just hopefully clarified for you above).Regarding your nonsensical assertion that “The opinion of the Satmar Rav, zt”l, regarding the State after 1948 was not accepted by the majority of Klal Yisrael or their leaders.”:
Of course it was accepted. There were only minor disagreements on voting or the like, but nobody argued that shmad wasn’t shmad, and nobody argued that the Zionists hadn’t grossly violated the shevuos which were obviously still in effect as they were ever since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.
micro,
“I am not familiar with the story you claim”
You’re filthy liar since you posted comments on the story and still refuse to explicitly condemn your Nazi Kapo buddies:
You’re going to burn together with your false-god worshiping coreligionists!
GadolHadofi:
No, it is you that are filthy and accusing falsely.I did see the headline you mentioned and immediately assumed that there would be lots of idolatry in the comments, so I went straight to the comments and responded. Even after looking quickly at the article now, I still don’t see details of who did what. There are no photographs/video that I saw of anyone in NK “uniform” saying anything to Rav MHH.
I still am not familiar with the story you claimed, only that there was some disturbance but that B”H the dinner proceeded regardless.
If anyone will “burn” it is those defending idolatry. As mentioned, I have never defended anyone insulting Rav MHH or the like and in response to a previous question of yours, I explicitly noted that such a thing is obviously wrong. Stop accusing falsely.
micro,
In your lame attempt to once again defend your twisted NK buddies for their vile behavior against the Gadol Hador shown in those videos, you posted:
“NK is misguided in some of their methods and actions. But…”
They are clearly recognizable from the signs they are carrying, despite not wearing Nazi Kapo uniforms. It would actually kill you to write, “NK’s behavior against the Gadol Hador was wrong and indefensible”. That’s because you worship the false god of Anti-Zionism along with them and strictly adhere to its only commandment.
May you and they be rewarded for your evil by burning for eternity together with all the Nazis!
GadolHadofi:
You’re still accusing falsely. First, they are not my “buddies”. Second, I never justified anyone behaving improperly to any gadol haDor.
It is extremely dangerous to curse a Jew because that could cause the curse to rebound on the one cursing. Please stop accusing falsely, and grow up.micro,
What you posted there about your vile Nazi Kapo buddies was “NK is misguided in some of their methods and actions. But…”.
It would actually kill you to write, “NK’s behavior against the Gadol Hador was wrong and indefensible”, wouldn’t it?
May you and they be rewarded for your evil by burning for eternity together with all the Nazis!
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