Lev Tahor – what now?

And how do you know they’re being abused? Because that’s what Channel 7 reported and the jblogosphere repeated?

Mammele, how do you know any of what you allege is true? Jblogosphere?

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Since the holocaust, not a single Jewish community was persecuted as much as Lev Tahor.

Since the holocaust, not a single community was subject to so many blood libels and uprooting from one place to another.

It is deplorable how our math skills let us stoop so low as to allow our fellow brothers to be ???? ???? ???? ???? ??????.

Here is the formula that allows us to stand by idly – guilt free:

Mosrim + rumors + news reports = Facts

This vicious cycle allows us to lead our lives knowing that a group of G-D fearing Jews are constantly being hunted down by secular elements in the Jewish community, and feel we have the right to not only allow it, but also to encourage the persecution and strengthen the Machlokes and ????? ????.

Not once has their been a fair two-way conversation surrounding Lev Tahor, Mishpacha magazine did not even respect the journalistic norm of having the other side express their point.

Many Rabbonim will not express their concerns for fear it will backfire and affect their support and fundraising efforts. This element of silence allows us to cowardly recommend the most sadistic measures and punishment against our fellow brothers and sisters.

When a mattress store shuts down due to a viral ad due to frivolous mention of 9/11, a community is being dubbed by Israeli media as the “Taliban” and nobody says a word about the frivolous mention of term and what is represents.

I urge my fellow yiden before Yom Hadin to please wake up and smell the coffee.

This is the least I can do to declare:

I WILL NOT FOLLOW KORACH’S WAY.

The Taliban has been persecuted.

If the kids are being taken away, they should be sent to normal Torah observant communities to be raised how they should have been in the first place. Unfortunately, the authorities will probably secularize them and they’ll all end up being interviewed on liberal news networks about how horrible Judaism is. Don’t any of you forgot, probably well over 50% of goyim consider all Orthodox Jews to be a cult. You can pretty much get that vibe if you watch 2 minutes of the clip with the YWN article. Even if this is the end of Lev Tahor, it’s far from being the end of their legacy being used by the secularists…

I have family there.

I also freelance, and I visited the community numerous times, and was invited to their homes.

I actually just received a document from one of the families, the doc was written by a child welfare worker which states that their inspection of the home and children was found to be satisfactory.

Just so you know, the imvestigations started after two former members reported to the authorities regarding the education.

Under Quebec law, any child that does not receive an education equivalent to the public school education, is considered ‘neglected’ and ‘abused’.

When the community failed to reach a compromise with the education minister,the minister threatened with a letter stating that under Quebec law, he has no choice but to refer the matter to the youth protection agency.

On a side but important note, When Stephen Harper was prime minister of Canada, it was a known fact that Israel was the third rail of Canadian politics and many policies.

It was also obvious from Israeli cabinet meetings (which were videotaped and downloaded, the knesset has since taken them down) that Israel was very keen on breaking the community at any cost.

Those two facts were the main driving force behind the investigations.

Homes were searched numerous times and nothing was found.

The Israeli government has only rehashed the false allegations and bribed officials in Guatemala to conduct a raid which was obviously done without any regard to the welfare of the children.

The officials came at 6 am and simply broke down doors and raided home after home only to find nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

It is sickening to see the comments on social media and news outlets, with no regard to Jewish men woman and children.

Anyone who has had an honest conversation with individuals from Lev Tahor know that they are riteous and fine people.

I urge all to get facts not from the Media or hearsay, rather facts from people who were there firsthand. (There are many individuals who have peacefully left the community after feeling it was not for them. Only a countless few hold a grudge and chip on their shoulder and find no happiness until the community is decimated completely, chas v’sholom).

There are many individuals who left the Orthodox Jewish community, yet only a select few, with hatred, go to the media and badmouth orthodox Judaism. Just search ‘Othodox Jews’ on video sites, and see how many angry youngsters are appearing on television.

If we don’t protest in support of Lev Tahor who’s to say we are not next?

We live in a wonderful country where the status quo of the education and aspects of Jewish life was respected.

Only when disgrunted individuals went to the court system, did the government get involved.

There are so many facts to show and things to say revolving around Lev Tahor, so many misjustices that befell their part with terrible consequences, I implore upon all ?????? ??? ?????? to open their hearts and minds to these helpless people and see to assist them in amy way possible.

While they were in Quebec they did not lack funds for basic necessities.

Now that they do lack basic necessities, it’s due to their persecution.

Do you want to help financially with funds for food or shelter? Are you worried the funds will be diverted to other causes?

A simple solution would be to have a committee of local Rabbonim who will oversee the distributions and ensure go to the necesary cause.

If you need help coordinating, let me know.

As far as the comments go, it seems most want to see a ‘final solution’ for this community ??”?

To Mammeleh: Do you ever visit a news website often without having an account? Well I do, and until this last straw was broken I never had a reason to open an account, a simple scroll through the newsfeed was enough for me.

Nobody here should pay attention to what the member TruthSeeker wrote in this particular thread. Because Truthseeker is writing from his Journalist reporting mind.

I was a member of the cult. I ran a way with my husband. I know its not normal okay? We were lucky to get out! I just want everyone to know that.

That truth seeker has not seen hunger on a child’s face in a first world country where there is no excuse for that, except for some false prophets’ claim, that, EVERYTHING is Treif except flour, oil and salt.

Truth Seeker never saw the depressive lifeless faces of the women I knew.

Never heard my friend’s whispering “i wish I would just die”. You gotta wonder how bad it was, when Death is the better option.

I know. I am a witness.

yeshivishe kup – VERY good video that was posted on yeshiva world.

ARWSF: WOW. I’m sure it took a lot of courage to write it down here. How is your family doing now?

Alwaysrunsws, I read and reread your post.

I can’t begin to imagine what hard times you must have been through.

Or how hard it was to share that.

Can you tell us how you’re doing and how your children are?

I hope you’ve found kindness and understanding wherever you are.

Mammele -“Health: if you wanted to make that point, this was the wrong thread to do so, and sends the wrong message.”

Is this topic good enough for you?

“Yad L’achim rescues women and children THAT WANT TO BE RESCUED. Unfortunately, most of the cult members are brain-washed and want to stay where they are. Those that want to leave, have gotten and most likely will get help to do so, especially if they have supportive family on the other side. I agree more should be done though.”

So you’re saying it’s up to them – we’ll let them do what they want!

As a matter of fact, let’s get rid of all child protection services in

all the Western countries because we should let the parents do what they want!

“That truth seeker has not seen hunger on a child’s face in a first world country where there is no excuse for that, except for some false prophets’ claim, that, EVERYTHING is Treif except flour, oil and salt.”

If they want to treat their kids’ like this – we should let the parents do what they want!

If the government kidnaps their children, you can be dang sure they aren’t going to place them “into heimish, vetted foster care”. They will bring them up like goyim.

Joe -“If the government kidnaps their children, you can be dang sure they aren’t going to place them “into heimish, vetted foster care”. They will bring them up like goyim.”

Stop with your fear mongering!

Mammele – After your conversation with Joe, it leaves very little option! The only option I see, is that the respective governments’ take the kids away and the Frum communities volunteer to be Foster parents and/or for adoption!

When it is involuntary. As long as the adults consent to it for themselves and their children, it is legal.