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  • #1616410

    ubiquitin
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    “Saying there is a shred of similarity between “jewish thievery” and not denouncing islamic terror hours after terrorists credit islamic ideology for the deed is crazy.”

    You are going to have to elaborate if you want your comment to have much meaning.
    They seem quite similar, if not the same to me.

    #1616552

    Health
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    ubiq -“did Obama give out candies and cake?”

    No, he did not! This is what he did – he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism – even after an Islamic terror attack! Now you might say that’s ok, because he DIDN’T condone it OR condem it, even though the motive was their religion. But the Torah (the ultimate TRUTH) states if you’re Silent – that means you agree. Shtikah K’hodah. You must PROTEST Against that kind of Terror – there is NO, Whatsoever, any sort of JUSTIFICATION!

    #1616614

    👑RebYidd23
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    Ubiquitin, ask a Muslim.

    #1616683

    ubiquitin
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    “This is what he did – he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism – even after an Islamic terror attack! Now you might say that’s ok, because he DIDN’T condone it OR condem it, ”

    I agree wholeheartedly not condemning a terrorist attack is u
    Is unacceptable.
    W hich attack, are you referring to?

    Ry23
    I have.

    #1616846

    Health
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    Ubiq -“I agree wholeheartedly not condemning a terrorist attack is u
    Is unacceptable.
    W hich attack, are you referring to?”

    STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! I said -“he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism”

    From the NY Post:
    “America has now averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack a year on President Obama’s watch, yet he still insists the threat from radical Islam is overblown and that he’s successfully protecting the nation”
    Even with the San Berninado attack, he went back & forth between calling it a terror attack and blaming the attack on lack of Gun Control!

    #1616887

    👑RebYidd23
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    Ubiq, what did you ask?

    #1617027

    ubiquitin
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    “STOP TWISTING MY WORDS! I said -“he DID NOT call it Islamic Terrorism””

    what?
    Of course he did not call it “Islamic Terrorism” is’nt that the very point we are discussing?
    He didn’t’ call it “Islamic terrorism” Our discussion is whether avoiding that phrase that phrase is justifiable.

    I pointed out that 1) some find it offensive 2) IT accomplishes nothing and 3) It can potentially alienate allies
    Instead of replying to any of those points you then said
    That he “didn’t condone or condemn” it and “Shtikah K’hodah.” ” You must PROTEST Against that kind of Terror – there is NO, Whatsoever, any sort of JUSTIFICATION!”

    I dont see how this is relevant, unless you can provide an example of him not protesting against an act of terros

    Rebyid
    Lots of things!
    What did you want me to ask

    #1617122

    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    couldn’t get to a computer early enough to explain while it still was relevant – sorry.
    Was just saying that thievery done by Jews is not Theivery done for Judaism, or Torah. Islamic Terrorism is terror that the perpetrators believe/state/teach is done FOR the sake of Islam. for example, a mass rally to get stores to stop selling something assur could be a Jewish rally. An individual who is frum doing something that his rebbe said was okay is not to support/defend or uphold Torah and therefore the adjective does not apply.

    #1617412

    ☕️coffee addict
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    I pointed out that 1) some find it offensive 2) IT accomplishes nothing and 3) It can potentially alienate allies

    Some people find “clinging to their guns and bibles” offensive too or “if I had a son he would look like Trayvon” but that didn’t stop his majesty from saying that

    It accomplishes that it was an act of terror as opposed to “workplace violence” and it should be dealt appropriately

    As we see that Trump has said it over and over and Saudi Arabia (an ally) is still on good relations with Trump and while we’re talking about allies how Obama acted to the only democracy in the Middle East (putting feet on table while talking to him, condescending tones to Netanyahu, trying to prop up the opposition as opposed to staying out of it, not vetoing certain UN sanctions, and secretly making a deal with Iran) shows he doesn’t care about alienating allies

    #1617448

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Syag,

    👍

    #1617494

    ubiquitin
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    “Some people find “clinging to their guns and bibles” offensive too ”

    Yes, and he shouldn’t have said that,. I’m glad we agree.

    “It accomplishes that it was an act of terror as opposed to “workplace violence” and it should be dealt appropriately”

    youre a bit late to the party, we are discussing the phrase “Islamic Terrorism” as opposed to “Terrorism”
    We are not discussing its use as opposed to workplace violence, giving out candies or remaining silent.
    I’m not sure why there is confusion on that point.

    I’m not saying using that phrase would have had that result, just that their was concern that it would. Could it have been wrong? Sure
    Bringing up Trump, only strengthens my point. Look how he bends over backwards to avoid condemning a murder of a journalist. no of course his business ties are more important to him than strategic alliances, so I don’t fault him for not wanting to mess up his business dealings, but bringing him as an example of how to properly condemn evil actions, doesn’t make much sense
    He doesn’t mind alienating allies who support candidates who oppose him. which you seem to imply “trying to prop up the opposition as opposed to staying out of it” is a bad thing.

    syag
    “Was just saying that thievery done by Jews is not Thievery done for Judaism, or Torah.”

    While your distinction is of course correct. I am not discussing “thievery done by Jews” again read my example carefully I would like to leave it at that,. I don’t want to go to much into detail.

    #1617588

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    Ubiq -“Our discussion is whether avoiding that phrase that phrase is justifiable.”

    That’s exactly my point – in NO Way is it even Remotely JUSTIFIABLE!!!

    “I pointed out that 1) some find it offensive 2) IT accomplishes nothing and 3) It can potentially alienate allies”

    1) WHO CARES? Probably the same guys who were giving out candies when the Twin Towers were destroyed!
    2) It accomplishes that in No Way – we will tolerate Terrorism – even if it’s part of your Religion.
    3) Sorry! Our ally is Israel, NOT Iran or Syria!

    #1617583

    jackk
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    Coffee Addict,

    I find it hilarious that you can bring up examples of things that Obama did but are blind to the fact that Trump has already done 100 times worse.
    Shoes on the table?
    How about running Chinese foreign policy from the dinner table at Mar O Lago while surrounded by a crowd?
    How about spending vast amounts of time playing golf? Or only working 3 hours a day and spending the rest on “executive time” ?

    Condescending tones to Netanyahu ? Netanyahu 100 % deserved it. And you admire Trump who “fights back” (which is another word for being unable to control his baby self.) If Netanyahu did to Trump what he did to Obama , Netanyahu would have a knickname already and if you know his current knickname it would not be hard for Trump to mimic it.

    Trump has alienated so many allies. Canada, China, Britian, the entire EU for examples.
    If while speaking in the UN , there would have been laughter when Obama spoke , the Trump supporters would have never let him live it down. Well, I will never let Trump supporters live the laughter at him down. He is the laughing stock of the world. Even Saudi Arabia is not happy at how he reacted to killing a resident of America.

    One final question: What adjective did Trump call the terrorism in Pittsburgh and the terrorism against the 11 Democrats ?

    #1617635

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “That’s exactly my point – in NO Way is it even Remotely JUSTIFIABLE!!!”

    Yep that is w2hat we were discussing.

    I’ll skip your reply November 4, 2018 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm, since I dont really understand what it was contributing either I or you lost your train of thought.
    glad we are back on track

    the “1) WHO CARES?”

    Lots of them. Including people who abhor terrorism and believe it is a perversion of their religion.
    You indicated earlier that in the (perhaps) hypothetical scenario I outlined regarding “Jewish Thievery” that while, you woundt be bothered by that expression yo understood why others might be.

    2) Again why do yo u have to say the magic words” Islamic terrosim” to accomplish that?

    3) Israel isn’t so interested in fighting ISIS. To fight ISIS we need help from local Muslims

    Look believe it or not, I dont really want to get bogged down in this argument.
    I’m not saying calling it Islamic Terrorism is wrong.
    And I grant that my comparison to “Jewish Thievery” isnt perfect ( not for Syag’s reason, rather unlike the rebelech I’m referring to, the Ayatolah supports terrorism, so it is a bit weird to say the Ayatolah doesnt have a “true” grasp of Islam)
    Nonetheless, I hope you can understand where the other side is coming from, and why some avoid using the phrase. I

    #1617756

    ☕️coffee addict
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    How about spending vast amounts of time playing golf?

    Sorry, Obama was the golfer in chief

    Condescending tones to Netanyahu ? Netanyahu 100 % deserved it

    You’re laughable

    #1744533

    Can’t bring myself to call it a good Law because Some will have to take it off the yamulka
    and possibly snoods
    How could we deem it however a bad law?

    That the secular And non-orthodox organizations Were militantly opposing this from the beginning
    – and they’re not fools, must be something good coming out of it

    #1744534

    Quebec Secularism -more accurately Neutralism law

    #1744583

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Lol these same leftist nuts were probably all bent out of shape about Trump not specifically saying “white supremacists” when he condemned Charlottesville.

    If you love Islam so much, just convert and move to Iran. Nobody will miss you.

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