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  • #1946601
    Reb Eliezer
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    If we can impeach a president after leaving office than Washingtion should have been impeached for owning slaves. He overlooks the fact that slavery was permitted in 13 states, as indicated in Wiki, when he was president, whereas Trump created a insurrection when president which is treasoness according to Professor Tribe.

    #1946616
    akuperma
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    The entire affair is a joke, and he is treating it with the respect it reserves. In an insurrection, one raises an armed force and seizes the government. One doesn’t prance around half naked with an animal skin and a wooden stick. Absent evidence showing Trump discussing use of armed force to seize the government, and also arranging with the significant garrisons stationed in or near Washington (one only a few blocks away) to cooperate, all that the Democrats have shown is that Trump, at worse, encouraged a lawful and constitutionally protected demonstration to get disorderly.

    #1946622
    ubiquitin
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    The part I don’t get Is he wasn’t impeached before leaving office . He was impeached (for the 2nd time) on Jan 13, he left office on Jan 20 (at noon) , he was impeached before leaving office, period.

    (Though I do think the impeachment is silly, a better idea would have been censure they probably wouldve had a few decent Republicans (yes there are some) joining )

    #1946612
    Health
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    RE – Obviously you Never heard of something called Irony!
    Maybe you should do Stand up Comedy?!?

    #1946628
    Gadolhadorah
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    “Trump, at worse, encouraged a lawful and constitutionally protected demonstration to get disorderly..”
    And as we approach Purim, (which certain CR posters have apparently begun to celebrate 2 weeks early) we have to remember that Haman was engaging in protected speech when he argued to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the yidden—young and old, women and children—and steal their possessions on 13 Adar. In reality, he was only engaged in political hyperbole and was a true ohev yisroel.

    #1946639
    Reb Eliezer
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    Health, what happened in the Capitol, people dying, is not funy and people encouraging it need to be accountable because it can happen in the future.

    #1946670
    MadeAliyah
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    >we have to remember that Haman was engaging in protected speech when he argued to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the yidden—young and old, women and children—and steal their possessions on 13 Adar. In reality, he was only engaged in political hyperbole and was a true ohev yisroel.<

    Bad comparison. We don’t celebrate Purim because of his speech, we celebrate because he had a plan in place for total annihilation and it backfired.

    >what happened in the Capitol, people dying, is not funny and people encouraging it need to be accountable because it can happen in the future.<

    I think we all agree on that, however Trump never encouraged it and in fact condemned it

    #1946690
    Reb Eliezer
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    It says ushlolom lavoz, if they are dead who cares? However, when you encourage taking their wealth, you encourage killing them in order to take their wealth.

    #1946683
    jackk
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    If there are no consequences then this was only a trial run by trump and his supporters.

    The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.

    There is a historical parallel to such a situation.

    #1946734
    Reb Eliezer
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    Trump commended the insurrectionists and condemned them after the fact, closing the door after the horse escaped the barn.

    #1946742
    ujm
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    First we need to hold the Democrats accountable for their encouragement and support of the Antifa/BLM insurrection and murders.

    #1946745
    MadeAliyah
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    >Trump commended the insurrectionists and condemned them after the fact, closing the door after the horse escaped the barn.<

    Trump told the rioters – as they were rioting – to “GO HOME”.
    Why couldn’t we have that from Dems over the summer?

    #1946746
    MadeAliyah
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    >If there are no consequences then this was only a trial run by trump and his supporters.<
    The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.

    >The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.<
    The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.
    Jake Turx, who was reporting on the riot, said the rioters were surprised by how easy it was to enter the building.

    >There is a historical parallel to such a situation.<
    Please tell us more.

    #1946747
    Ben Levi
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    Funny how the Dems opened the trial by playing his speech but purposely left out the part where he called for them to be “peaceful”

    #1946748
    PinChasi
    Participant

    Castor was very weak..

    #1946749
    MadeAliyah
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    Republicans of the YWNCR:

    Can you guys please make a thread for every stupid argument made by a Dem?
    Do you think your keyboards can handle the pressure?

    #1946754
    Health
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    RE -“Health, what happened in the Capitol, people dying”

    Don’t make this a Capital Crime.
    Not one person was killed because of it. Just the poor lady who happened to climb through a window.
    If she was Black – there would be more riots than they had for G. Floyd.
    And they just came out that Sitnick was Not a murder. They think his death was natural.

    #1946757

    Jackk-The next time they will be better prepared and will succeed.-as if they were somewhat prepared this time?? This is a a complete partisan joke, the Dems are setting a terrible precedent, and when the pendulum swings, they’ll regret it.

    #1946772
    Reb Eliezer
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    Once incited it is too late to say go home.

    #1946777
    MadeAliyah
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    >Once incited it is too late to say go home.<

    Incite? What part of ‘peacefully protest’ means ‘break into the capital, kill a policeman, be shirtless and wear horns’? This was planned in advance!
    Did anybody watching Trump’s speech live expect this?

    #1946797
    Reb Eliezer
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    From the time Trump believed that he won the election, he encouraged people to fight. This was a progression that culminated Jan 6th when the election was to be certified by congress.

    #1946802

    I am preparing to watch Reagan’s impeachment next week. remember how he reached out to Russians and called for violence in the [German] Capital?!

    “Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall”?? As a direct result of his hateful language, thousands of people [several years later] ILLEGALLY overran and destroyed that wall.

    #1946822
    MadeAliyah
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    >he encouraged people to fight<

    Politicians use that type of language. All. The. Time.
    Nobody normal took ‘fight’ as physical.

    #1946824
    MadeAliyah
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    @Reb Eliezer this thread is incredible. We have the stupidest impeachment, of a former president , for stupid reasons, by some of the stupidest politicians the US has ever seen, and you’re like ‘A senator from South Carolina made a stupid argument! The horror!’.
    Keep those threads coming!

    #1946892
    CTLAWYER
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    Let’s just drop the last word in the title of this thread,
    LINDSEY GRAHAM’S STUPID.

    He is also two faced, a liar and not to be trusted

    #1946897
    PinChasi
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    @Health
    I agree with the observation that if Babbit was not white there would be riots.

    As to Sicknick, it’s still a mystery.

    Sorry, no outside links

    @reb eliezer
    With all due respect I notice almost an “excitement” about dems. I hope you get it that support for Trump was not for his character, as his midos were/are of no model for a Yid, at all. But he had some policies which were positive.

    #1946907
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    Did you mean a dog faced lyin’ pony soldier?

    #1946909
    DovidBT
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    He is also two faced, a liar and not to be trusted

    That applies to almost every Democratic politician, including Sleepy Joe, Kahmahlah, Obama and the Clintons.

    #1946919
    MadeAliyah
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    >Let’s just drop the last word in the title of this thread,
    LINDSEY GRAHAM’S STUPID.
    He is also two faced, a liar and not to be trusted<

    ‘When out of arguments, resort to name-calling’ – @CTLAWYER 2021

    #1946921
    bk613
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    “He is also two faced, a liar and not to be trusted”
    This is true of absolutely every single politician from every party. They care about themselves and getting reelected above all. Do you really believe Pelosi and Schumer are impeaching Trump because they strongly believe they need to in order to save the Republic? They are doing it as a political tool to smear Trump and all Republicans. They believe this will help the democrats stay in power (keeping them employed) the day that belief changes is the day this stupid charade ends.

    #1946932
    jackk
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    MadeAliyah,

    “The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.”
    Republicans don’t get their own reality created by the web of lies that they are constantly reading and listening to.
    “The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.”
    The president has lot of power over security in DC and if he is in favor of an insurrection, there will not be more security. In fact, the weak security this time was due to the president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared and not to engage the rioters. The capitol police revealed the letter that he received from the administration.
    “Please tell us more.”
    I assume that you know exactly what I am referring to.

    TVAP-
    There were thousands of people who were very prepared. Military gear, weapons , advanced scouting and coordination.

    If you actually listen to his speech then you will realize that the words “peaceful protest” are meaningless.

    I will admit that if I believed in what Trump said at the rally that the election was stolen, that he won by a landslide and the Dem’s are destroying democracy and stealing the next 4 years, I would have been part of the riot and not left the capitol building without a few politicians in handcuffs. ( or worse.)

    Republicans Defenses of Trump that are worthless.
    1) No impeachment trial after leaving office.
    Constitutionally and historically untrue
    2) Whataboutism.
    That is a five year old’s defense
    3) He said the word peaceful.
    It is all about the environment that he created by his words and actions.
    4) He never expected this to happen.
    He is expected to know better. There was intel of very bad people joining the capitol rally.
    5) He stopped it in real time after the rioters breached the capitol.
    He did not.

    23 years ago Republicans believed that a president committing perjury was a reason to remove him from office. How far they have fallen.
    If next time a democrat president does exactly what trump did , would you still be opposed to removal from office?

    #1946970
    PinChasi
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    @jackk
    Does Obama “deserve” at least a senate impeachment discussion re DEADLY Benghazi?

    #1946974
    Health
    Participant

    Oh Jackk, -“The capitol police revealed the letter that he received from the administration.”

    So did the Chief CP respond?
    Why did an officer in the Department send officers home, when they were supposed to be on duty that day?

    “Constitutionally and historically untrue”
    The only case was a SoS that tried to use resignation as a way to avoid Justice.
    This so-called Impeachment is Unconstitutional & Illegal!
    But if you’re a DemonCrat, who cares about those things, if You can score some Political Points?!?

    #1946986
    MadeAliyah
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    >I will admit that if I believed in what Trump said at the rally that the election was stolen, that he won by a landslide and the Dem’s are destroying democracy and stealing the next 4 years, I would have been part of the riot and not left the capitol building without a few politicians in handcuffs. ( or worse.)<
    Be honest, did you see it coming BEFORE it took place?

    >Republicans Defenses of Trump that are worthless.<
    Are you a lawyer or judge?

    >If next time a democrat president does exactly what trump did , would you still be opposed to removal from office?<
    ABSOLUTELY! Who has asked for Bernie Sanders or Maxine Waters to be removed from office?
    Some of us have one standard.

    #1946980
    MadeAliyah
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    @jackk

    >“The ‘trial run’ was done by BLM and Antifa.”
    Republicans don’t get their own reality created by the web of lies that they are constantly reading and listening to.<
    You don’t get to respond to my point by making a random irrelevant statement.

    >“The next time the police will be prepared and will succeed in defending the Capital.”
    The president has lot of power over security in DC and if he is in favor of an insurrection, there will not be more security. In fact, the weak security this time was due to the president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared and not to engage the rioters. The capitol police revealed the letter that he received from the administration.<
    Are you referring to the letter that Steven A. Sund sent to Nancy Pelosi? I read all eight pages of that letter looking for the ‘president’s administration ordering the capitol police to not be properly prepared’ and didn’t find it. The letter-writer pointed out frustrating bureaucracy
    and incompetent officers who have since resigned. If your allegations may be true and Trump or his appointees are responsible, then of course we should have an investigation and the offenders must be punished. However the DOJ and FBI are under Biden now, so why don’t you complain about his inaction?
    (No, the impeachment doesn’t cover that)

    >“Please tell us more.”
    I assume that you know exactly what I am referring to.<
    Excuse my ignorance, but I do not.

    #1947045
    Reb Eliezer
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    Can you tell me MadeAliyah why you get involved in the first place? Worry about Natanyohu.

    #1947048
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    MadeAliyah-
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    You’ve annoyed a democrat. You’re being cancelled!!!

    #1947074
    PinChasi
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    Todd Frankel, in the ‘Washington Post’ reported today:
    A majority of the people arrested for Capitol riot had a history of financial trouble

    It’s not a real justification to the Jan6 event which is condemned by us all but it is so so sad. We rachmonim bnei rachamonim especially should feel sadness about the event and about the frustrated with troubles.

    #1947075
    PinChasi
    Participant

    @Reb_Eliezer #1946690
    What you said about Ushlolom, reminds me about ‘Im bemachteres yimotzei haganov.’

    #1947085
    MadeAliyah
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    ”Can you tell me MadeAliyah why you get involved in the first place? Worry about Natanyohu.”

    @Reb Eliezer when you attack a poster based on identity, I believe it means you view his posts as a threat to your agenda, but have no good response.
    Now to answer your question; I don’t need to worry about Bibi, he’s a political heavyweight. But the US is Israel’s backbone and it worries me when someone like Joe Biden gets elected to lead it.

    #1947094
    jackk
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    If you watch the footage shown today, (never seen before and from the body cameras) you will see hand to hand combat between Trump rioters and capitol police.

    They violently attacked the capitol police and we’re ready to attack politicians.

    There is no defense for R senators except to stick their heads in the sand.

    #1947101
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    The footage is horrific and worse than I expected. There is no question that there were individuals Beyond those who were there purely to instigate violence and pave a way for this impeachment, who got caught up in the violence. I would not have expected it from the regular Trump supporters and I still don’t know that that is who these people are but I am open to the fact that it was worse than I thought. The problem is that none of this points to the actual legal question of incitement. People are angry because of all the crud that was piled on them over the last 4 years, and I would say Pelosi and Schiff have incited more people to violence through their devious use and abuse of power than anything Trump could spew.

    I disapprove of every single thing that went on that day, but when you have a murder trial and you spend your time proving that the person is dead instead of proving that the man on trial did the killing you have done a bad job, and your purpose seems more about manipulation than presentation of facts. I wish they would stick with facts. For the last four years I’ve wished they would stick with facts. I’m sick and tired of them being manipulative and trying to get their way through manipulation instead of facts.

    January 6th was horrific it was worse than I thought it was. I learned that from the videos. But they still have not proven the legality of what Trump did to contribute to it separate from those who they can prove organized it well in advance.

    #1947103
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >If you watch the footage shown today, (never seen before and from the body cameras) you will see hand to hand combat between Trump rioters and capitol police.
    They violently attacked the capitol police and we’re ready to attack politicians.
    There is no defense for R senators except to stick their heads in the sand.<

    Correction:
    There is no defense for RIOTERS except to stick their heads in the sand.
    “R senators” weren’t part of the mob, they were targeted by the mob. (There is a slight difference. You might notice if you close CNN for a minute)

    #1947110
    MadeAliyah
    Participant

    >MadeAliyah-
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    You’ve annoyed a democrat. You’re being cancelled!!!<

    Syag, I think by now I’ve annoyed pretty much every Dem in the YWNCR. (Sorry guys, it’s just too easy. Nothing personal. 😎)

    #1947134
    Health
    Participant

    syag -“There is no question that there were individuals Beyond those who were there purely to instigate violence and pave a way for this impeachment,”

    Who said Trump Supporters started any Riot or did any Violence?
    They might have got caught up in a riot that was taking place.
    It’s a fact that Antifa & BLM were in DC that day.
    I already posted that 5 vans of Antifa pulled up to the Capitol in the morning.
    How do I know they were Antifa?
    Because the Guy with his cell phone filming it – couldn’t make that up on the Spot!
    This is why e/o is entitled to an Investigation before any Trial. Even Former Pres. named Trump!
    I personally think this was a Left-wing conspiracy to make sure Biden got in & no one heard about any Fraud!

    #1947467
    RememberThat
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    Does anyone have an estimate of percentage of rioters out of the huge pro Trump protesters crowd?

    #1947936
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    The real chutzpah was Lindsay Graham, the greatest Trumkopf sycophant of all times, has the chutzpah to go on Sunday News shows and accuse Mitch McConnell of being disingenuous for acknowledging that Trump was 100 percent guilty of inciting the riot (in words better the Dem impeachment managers). but hiding behind the process issues of whether you can impeach after leaving office. Graham was clear. Winning is more important than principle and Rs can only win with Trump.

    #1947954
    Health
    Participant

    GH -“Winning is more important than principle and Rs can only win with Trump.”

    That’s your Fake interpretation.
    Mine is – Mitch is the epitomy of what Trump meant when he said “Drain the Swamp”!
    How come you can only see conspiracies when it comes to Republicans?
    Eg. – Trump wanted a Insurection.
    But maybe Mitch wanted to get rid of Trump because he was against China?
    Did you Know Mitch wife’s family has a lot of dealings with China?!?

    That was Trump’s problem – he didn’t go with the Corrupt Government that sits in Washington!

    #1947963
    Reb Eliezer
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    Mitch pushed away the senate trial after Trump left in order to have an excuse, saying that you cannot covict him after not being ;resident anymore but agreeing that he is guilty.

    #1947998
    Amil Zola
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    Just what was up with Mitch’s little coda speech?

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