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I don’t think this CD is living up to expectations. Maybe I am wrong but you dont have a Tizke, Raboisai, Huts Betuchen ,Reb Zishe, Asara Harugei Malchus .
i wonder what others think.
I thought Lipa did teshuva.
THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING THIS TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT WILL ONLY LEAD TO LASHON HARA
anonomous, GUT GEZUKT!!!
jewish source, I think the songs are nice (especially sheloy asani goy) it takes time till a song becomes popular, give it time.
To all those people who say that lipa’s music is/was goyish, you obviously have never listened to non jewish music. His style might have been popular with hippies in the 70’s who were so high that any music was “spiritual”
any of the new bands today (or even the old classics) sound nothing like non jewish music. bring me one example of a case where he copied (not the intentional ones like usher or in the jungle) and i will retract this post.
sweib, Its no different if he copied goyish music of the 70’s, 60’s, or more modern. In fact the 60’s and 70’s were particularly bad non-Jewish music periods (the trash.)
And why do you exclude something he did intentionally? That is even worse.
Joseph, while much of the 60’s and 70’s were bad, I am not going to argue. however that was not my point. everyone seems to complain that he is taking today’s nonjewish music, which is incorrect. that is also why i excluded the usher and lion king song … b/c those are the two exeptions
however, joseph, true say … point taken
btw Gershon Verobas tapes are not yiddish songs at all, is there any halachic problam to take songs from them songs?
i think its good for people to do teshuva
Gelt is “borrowed” from the Rap genre of music. I am not talking about the words, just the style of music.
A number of guitar solos sound very much like Jimmi Hendrix (of course Lipa is not playing the guitar, nor is he the musical composer, but it is called his album and his song).
This is not limited to Lipa. Much of what passes for Jewish music today, the music, the sound and style, is ripped straight from pop culture.
Lipa is not the “kohen” of this Dor 🙂
I recognized definite Kitaro (Japanese New Age) in one piece and some Peter Paul and Mary (60’s) in another.
Interesting, many of you complain about Lipa using non-Jewish tunes or genre in his CDs, yet the same people know the non-Jewish singers by name. Hmmm. Sauce for the goose isn’t sauce for the gander?
I loved the new CD, btw. I love Hallilu. It does sound Irish but who said there are no Irish Jews? Many old Chassidish nigunim are from classical music, if anyone wants to go through all Jewish songs.
Leave it alone people. If you like it, buy it. If you don’t, don’t.
How do you define Jewish music as opposed to non-Jewish music? What you call Jewish music is really Eastern European Polish and Russian music. A Bukharin or Yemenite Jew, for example, would define Jewish music as something totally different from what you call Jewish music. We’ve always adapted the musical styles of the surrounding culture.
Lesschumras. You are splitting hairs. At any rate, we are often not talking about style of music but rather ACTUAL MUSIC from non jewish songs some popular and some not so.
Sorry guys, but the song that aggravates me the most these days is the Rabbi Nachman rip-off of Numa. It’s disgusting how popular the song has become and how many Jewish camp songs/cheers have adopted it.
Lipa has produced a fine, hartzige album, with the exception of the following:
- #14 The entire song “Hentelech”
- #13 Carry On “Pick Yourself Up And Go On….And On”
- #9 Wake Up “Wake Up…Wake Up…Wake Up..”
- image of torn Kol Koreh against Lipa’s concert
- back cover: March 9 ’08
Otherwise, it is a great album, and I love listening!! Keep it up, Lipa.
“At any rate, we are often not talking about style of music but rather ACTUAL MUSIC from non jewish songs some popular and some not so”
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Thus, the Maharam di Lonzano composed Hebrew lyrics to existing Arab melodies. That is actual music, not musical style.
Besides the fact that many niggunim are *exactly* the non-Jewish music, not just the style.
Kol Tuv,
Josh Waxman
I guess many in the “Jewish music” industry follow the psak of the Chida 🙂
IM WONDERING WHY NONE BROUGHT THIS UP…. WHEN LIPA SINGS (A TZADIK BIN EICH NOC NISHT) OK LET HIM SAY IT IN HIS BEDROOM WHERE NO ONE HERES HIM, BUT TO GO SING IT ON A TAPE WHERE YOU HAVE TONS OF KIDS BEING TAUGHT IN CHEDER EVERY DAY HOW TO BE A TZADIK AND HOW TO LIVE LIKE A TZADIK AND HE COMES AND STATES THAT YOU ALRIGHT EVEN IF YOUR NOT A TZADIK THAT I THINK IS BAD VERY BAD !!!!!
meyers- why do you find a need to write in caps?
Nobody knows what it means anyway
lipa is a talented guy who just happens to know how to use the instruments- or in this case, he knows to hire.
joshwaxman is right!
nigunnim come form the pubs in the old europe.
alsi i wanted to point out that r’ shlomo carlebach a”h was considered the “bad guy”. remember?
now when you want an uplifting kabolos shabbos- what is it???? a “carlebach shabbos”. i’ve to some. fantastic. it has heart.
Meyers, Lipa is not saying that its okay not to be a tzaddik at all. He is saying he is not YET a tzaddik, but he still keeps on trying, he’s not getting tired. That acknowledges the struggle to perfect ourselves, and not to give up even if we stumble along the way. I think that’s a very GOOD message.
Actually, I thought it was a beautiful song that expresses honestly how someone may feel when he blundered and wants Hashem to help him, because he’s trying to get back on track. (He was obviously alluding to himself and his recent struggle. I think it takes guts and fortitude to sing about one’s personal nisyonos which became public. Most of us never experience that.)
My favorite line in that song is when he says Who knows how to measure a deed? The way things are measured in this world are not necessarily how their measured “up there”..
Here’s a great idea. To those who enjoy Lipa, Please continue to enjoy him. For those who don’t, please don’t listen and leave the others alone. Each of us has a right to choose what music we like. Is this the next question on the stupid shidduch list questionnaire? Does the boy listen to Lipa? How shallow have we become?
Think BIg
I’m not that stupid i know what he meant and i also think its a very nice song, my point is that kids that are not on our level to understand what he means and usally get to understand bits of the song for them they getting a differant message then us.. when u give out a public tape as he did he has to take this into consideration.. last week i heard this 9 year old kid singing this song with just these words (a Tzadik bin eich nuch nisht) do u really think he understands lipa’s message? i dont and thats why i still beleive it was not appropriate…
meyers, I hear your point, but you could probably say the same for everyone of his songs. In wake Up, he keeps quoting the yetzer Hara, “Sleep is good, my watch is broken, go back under your covers, etc” And then switching to the yetzer tov. If a kid sings just one part, he will also maybe get the wrong message.
In general, it could be his lyrics are a bit mature for kids, but it doesnt mean its a bad message. When people produce tapes or literature for that matter, they often gear it to one age or another. This is not marketed as a kids tape. For an adult, though, it’s a very powerful message. It’s up to the parents to screen what their kids read and listen to.
all you ppl who have your opinions about lipa its pure loshen hara y cantyou all just keep them to yourself??!! lipa probably reads these things your writing about him imagine wat that makes him feel like if you dont wana listen to his music dont just dont bad mouthe him thank you
gila
this thread thankfully died three months ago
your reply only serves to revive it and bring the lashon harah to everyones attention a second time.
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