May 9, 2012 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm #603335Shticky GuyParticipant
The mechaber, rema and mishna brura say that haircuts are only permitted from the morning of lag baomer as we must keep part of the 33rd day till the morning. So why do so many people think they can listen to music at home from nacht?
Is it because at the fires at night there’s music (which is for zmiros of reb shimon bar yochai, not stam for personal listening) or is it because the mechaber only says we must wait until morning for haircuts but does not discuss music at all, so they think music is ok when really I once heard that since the churban we should not listen to music at all, but nowadays we are allowed to listen to music except during meals. So the mechaber will not say we can listen to music in the morning as we should not really be listening to music at all until the beis hamikdash is rebuilt. Along come people and see that the mechaber and rema only say that we must wait until morning for haircuts, so they assume music is ok immediately and we dont need to wait for the morning for music.
What do you think?May 10, 2012 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1076058LogicianParticipant
R’Moshe Stern and R’ Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg say its assur, and R’ Elyashiv says its like haircuts – which the minhag is also to wait for morning.May 10, 2012 1:19 am at 1:19 am #1076059shmoelMember
Others hold differently, which is who their poskim are.May 10, 2012 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1076060
It’s very shver to listen to music tonight and not during the rest of S’fira. You can’t say Miktzas Hayom K’kulo at night. I mentioned this in another thread, I have no idea how people do it. Especially dancing, which is for sure Assur during S’fira. It’s honestly a Pele.May 10, 2012 3:42 am at 3:42 am #1076061not2brightMember
Actually some are Matir taking a haircut and listening to music tonight, and some even on day 32 after mincha. For example, I believe R’ Dovid Feinstein gets a haircut on 32 after mincha. However, before you quote me on that I would like to verify it, so if anyone knows if this is an absolute fact please let me know (I heard it from quite reliable sources but one can never be too sure). Also, if you have the Dirshu MB- Chelek 5 I know they bring down in Siman 493, around #21-23 or so, that some are Matir to take a haircut (and I would assume, also listen to music) on the night of the 33rd. Lastly, if you are Noheg Aveilus the entire Sefira besides 33 it should for sure not be a problem to get a haircut or listen to music at night, because you will get your 33 days anyway (I think Chasidim are Noheg like this- Minhag Ha’Ari and others). And besides, we always try to be melamed zchus for Klal Yisroel, so especially because the Meron celebrations are tonight I don’t think you are changing Minhag Klal Yisroel, but I do understand your Ta’anos.May 10, 2012 3:47 am at 3:47 am #1076062LogicianParticipant
Listening is for sure assur, as indicated above. The hilula of Rashbi is different, as it is considered for a mitzvah (R’ Nissan Karelitz).May 10, 2012 3:49 am at 3:49 am #1076063NechomahParticipant
This is a very interesting question. I never heard about waiting until the morning. Minhag Yerushalayim is a little odd on the “issurim” of sefira, where we keep until Rosh Chodesh Sivan, except for Lag B’Omer. What would happen with a chassanah on Lag B’Omer when it falls on a Friday and the only time to make such a chassanah would be on Thursday night? I saw that Biyaner Rebbe cutting boys hair last night on the streamed video from Meron. Can someone give marei mekomos about waiting until the morning for the hair cuts.May 10, 2012 4:17 am at 4:17 am #1076064
Not2bright: When did the Dirshu M”B Chelek 5 come out? Last I checked they were only at 4.May 10, 2012 6:11 am at 6:11 am #1076065
Nechoma, if you keep the entire sefira except Lag BaOmer then I think the night is mutter. It’s only those who keep only 33 days that have a problem because Lag BaOmer is one of the 33 days so you need to keep miktzas hayom.
Those who celebrate a hilula rashbi have a heter of music and dancing since it is a mitzvah (sort of like those who matir music on Yom Haatzmaus) but to stam listen to music by yourself not as part of the hilula would be problematic. The same concept goes for someone who goes to a wedding before Rosh chodesh while they are keeping sefira, you can dance at the wedding but shouldn’t listen to music in the car on the way back.May 10, 2012 6:40 am at 6:40 am #1076066Shticky GuyParticipant
A marei makom about waiting until morning for haircuts? Start mishna brura 493:2 where the rema brings the maharil who says not in the evening. The MB brings in s.k. yud alef that some are meikil. However I’m sure I learnt that we hold like the maharil.May 10, 2012 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1076067antikfiraParticipant
The Mishna Berura states l’hedya that the dinim of mourning do not apply on Lag BaOmer. He then clarifies that regarding haircuts specifically, one should wait until the morning, at which point the svara of miktzas hayom is applied. He does not mention this in regards to music at all. Therefore, assuming one derives his day-to-day halachah from the Mishna Berura (which I sometimes doubt when reading people’s comments on this site), one can listen to music the minute it is Lag BaOmer.May 10, 2012 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1076068writersoulParticipant
Ask your LOR. I know someone who had a bar mitzvah on the night of Lag Baomer who received a psak from a respected posek that he could have live music. Don’t judge by other scenarios, because they may have other factors.
Personally, I know my shul always has its hilula on the night after Lag Baomer (34th day).May 10, 2012 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1076069
Writersoul: If that was his birthday then it’s probably okay to have live music at a Seudas Mitzvah for a Bar Mitzvah any night of the Omer.May 10, 2012 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1076070
The Mishna Berura states l’hedya that the dinim of mourning do not apply on Lag BaOmer. He then clarifies that regarding haircuts specifically, one should wait until the morning, at which point the svara of miktzas hayom is applied. He does not mention this in regards to music at all. Therefore… one can listen to music the minute it is Lag BaOmer.
If he doesn’t mention anything about it, how can you just assume it is muttar? He doesn’t mention that it is assur to murder on Lag BaOmer does that make it muttar? It could be that he mentions haircuts and expects us to apply the halacha to the other signs of mourning as well?May 10, 2012 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1076071
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He doesn’t mention the Mishna Berura in his footnote so I assume its not brought down anywhere there. I looked in the Yad Yisroel and couldn’t find itMay 10, 2012 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1076072sam4321Participant
not2bright: Rav Dovid does hold like that since we don’t say tachunan by mincha already. See Beir Heitiv as well.May 6, 2015 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1076073☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantMay 6, 2015 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #1076074cherrybimParticipant
“Rav Dovid does hold like that since we don’t say tachunan by mincha already.”
But he probably does not listen to music except when at a seudas mitzvah.May 6, 2015 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1076075
I’m totally Chozer on what I said two years ago. The Minhag nowadays seems to be Meikil for music at night. It’s a relatively recent Minhag so there is no need to be overly Machmir. There is no reason to necessarily compare music to haircuts, which standard Psak is to Assur until tomorrow morning.May 7, 2015 5:10 am at 5:10 am #1076076
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