January 30, 2017 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #619135
and now I come to you, most esteemed members of this Coffee Room, with a dilemma.
Right outside my home, (no, not mine, it’s my landlord’s – who so graciously let us in) is surrounded with a large “doggie area”, trees and a patch of grass that basically extends the full length of the house. Problem is that our neighbors frequent by, with their “best friends”, and ALWAYS leave a souvenir. It’s really disgusting. All the more so for children who have to go through to catch their buses. And for people who park their cars at the curb, and have to walk through the dog-extract.
And ideas, conventional and otherwise, welcome. At my wits end. (no, I don’t want to start up with them, they’re from “united nations”, many nationalities … And also, signs don’t help, I tried, their all over the place, glaringly visible)January 30, 2017 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1213744
The only solution I can come up with is to move.
Make aliyah and move to a Chareidi neighborhood. If that’s not an option, move to a chareidi neighborhood in the US.
If that’s not an option, I have no idea. Is it illegal? Can you try calling the police? Would that help?January 30, 2017 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1213745
I do sympathize with you. I’m very glad I don’t live in your neighborhood, especially since dogs are not my best friends!January 30, 2017 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1213746
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Put up a sign that the grass is treated with chemicals which are dangerous for pets?January 30, 2017 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #1213747
good one, DY!January 30, 2017 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1213748
DY, Thanks, I was thinking the same, I was just wondering if I could get into some legal trouble for threatening.
and LuL, lest you get me wrong, I live in a Yiddishe neighborhood, just east of YiddishKite. An area known as Kensington.January 30, 2017 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm #1213749
LF, you said that the dog-owners are your neighbors and that you don’t want to start up with them. I was assuming they are non-613ers.
Do you mean that you live in a mixed neighborhood? Well, then, that was my point. There are neighborhoods that only have Chareidim – in Eretz Yisrael and Lakewood, l’havdil. I don’t know about Brooklyn – it’s one of the few places I have never lived in.January 30, 2017 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1213750
Disclosure>we have 4 dogs, but they run in a private fenced in 1/2 acre and humans are not affected by their waste.
I have a number of questions:
Who owns this land?
If it is your landlord’s you can ask him/her to post signs re: no dog walking, no trespassing..violators will be prosecuted. Take video of the offenders and go the police.
If it does not belong to your landlord make a complaint to the health department about the unsanitary condition and let them handle it.
BUT: it may be that your children don’t have the right to transverse this land to access the school bus and you may be stirring up a hornet’s nest.January 31, 2017 1:35 am at 1:35 am #1213751
Foster a dog and model good behavior by walking with a scooper and cleaning up immediately.January 31, 2017 1:43 am at 1:43 am #1213752
They may need access to free doggie poop bags and a trashcan. Even then they may not change their behavior without consequences.
Some people in my neighborhood also don’t clean up after their dogs. My neighbors without dogs are suspicious of everyone with a dog. Kinda bothersome because I also don’t like stepping in dog poop. Goshness.January 31, 2017 2:00 am at 2:00 am #1213753
Since you write that children frequent that area, you might bring the situation to the attention of your city council (contact your councilperson or borough president’s office) for assistance. High concentrations of animal feces can be hazardous to childrens’ health.
They may be able to compel your landlord to keep the area clean. That would put the onus on the landlord to contend with the dog owners and relieve you of having to fight with your neighbors.January 31, 2017 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1213755
Thanks all so far!
It is my landlord’s property. I don’t want to bother him/her, I want to go it alone. I tried posting signs, four of them within 30 feet! The people who do it are a selfish bunch, obviously, they know someone’s gonna step into it.. I prefer not to do videos & authorities, I care for our home… some of these selfish people have other nasty middos as well…
And I don’t want to do anything that would make it hard on my landlords, like having them to contend with the dog owners.February 2, 2017 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1213757
Lf: there is stuff that can be put on the lawn to deter dogs, from chemicals to vinegar to motion activated sprinklers (I don’t think you can use it if your kids walk there). Not everything works, or can harm lawns, so do your Google research as best you can.
I think the best/simplest idea I saw mentioned (credit havahart) that might work for you is to put up a sign (with landlord’s permission) to the effect that the lawn has been treated (article mentioned against raccoons and skunks, in NYC it makes more sense to write against rats) so please keep dogs/cats off it. And then I’d go ahead and put some cayenne pepper or something harmless so it shouldn’t be a lie.
Good luck!February 2, 2017 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1213758
Thank you so much for responding.
I did put up signs, four signs within sixty feet. Some of the people don’t read English, I suppose. Neither do the dogs. Then again, a lot of these people have this special Minhag by night (like Pharoh). So signs are not that visible.
I am thinking of doing it by chemicals. I heard ammonia is a good deterrent. It destroys the lawns, as you wrote, I’m thinking of somehow placing little receptacles in the ground and putting a bit in each. I’d like to see if that convinces the dogs to move on.February 2, 2017 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #1213759
That sounds like a great idea, but would it be dangerous for kids?
In any case, Hatzlacha!!!! It sounds like a really annoying matzav, so I hope it gets resolved soon!!!!
(and now I’m yotzei my bracha for being chosheid you.)February 3, 2017 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1213760
Chemicals? That can hurt the dogs? That’s horrible.
A dog sniffing that is like bleach to the eyes.
Talk about cruelty. Def against halacha.February 3, 2017 9:13 am at 9:13 am #1213761
LB – what do you mean? They are not allowed to be there in the first place!
Don’t tell me that you wouldn’t kill an ant or mosquito or spider or cockroach or snake or skorpion if you found one in your house!
You are definitely allowed to do so according to halacha!
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