August 20, 2012 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #604627
Lets make a list of Gedolim from Lita from the previous generation, meaning *Europe*, who honored and/or respected Chassidishe Rebbes and Rovs. Prefferably bring a source, Or bring a source for one that was already mentioned.
Reb Chaim Volozhiner
Rabbi Akiva Eiger
Reb Itzele Volozhiner
Chasam Sofer (I believe he himself was a lubliner chossid)
Reb Chaim Brisker
Reb Chaim Ozer Grodzinski
Reb Boruch Ber Leibowitz
Ztz”lAugust 20, 2012 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #894132Sam2Participant
R’ Chaim Ozer was not such a fan of Chassidus, but the others on that list are all true as far as I know.August 20, 2012 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #894133WolfishMusingsParticipant
R’ Chaim Ozer was not such a fan of Chassidus
What, exactly, do you mean by “not such a fan.”
After all, there are people who follow derachim that I am “not a fan of” but I still honor and/or respect them personally.
The WolfAugust 21, 2012 1:03 am at 1:03 am #894134HaLeiViParticipant
I don’t really get the theme. If somebody is a Talmud Chacham, you respect him. Is this color war?August 21, 2012 1:05 am at 1:05 am #894135RavHamachshirMember
The chofetz chaim quotes the baal hatanya and the divrei chaim (rav chaim of sanz) frequently in the mishne beruraAugust 21, 2012 1:46 am at 1:46 am #894136GetzelParticipant
“Lets make a list of Gedolim”
are you really looking to make a list or dig up controversy?August 21, 2012 1:53 am at 1:53 am #894137
Im trying to get rid of controversy that pops up randomly. Thats why Im only asking for a list of Litvishe Gedolim who respected Chassidishe Gedolim. A list form has a certain clarity and finality to it. If you want to make a list of those who didnt respect, make a different thread.August 21, 2012 2:35 am at 2:35 am #894138
Chofets Chaim said that the Chassidim have a number of pe’shoim, but their ahavas HaSHem covers them over.August 21, 2012 2:48 am at 2:48 am #894139EnglishmanMember
mdd: Please cite a source for that; or shall we just consider that an urban legend?August 21, 2012 2:56 am at 2:56 am #894140apushatayidParticipant
This thread is shouting, shut me down now.August 21, 2012 3:57 am at 3:57 am #894141
Englishman, I think it’s in the ha’kdomah to the “Kol kisvei Chofets Chaim”.August 21, 2012 4:26 am at 4:26 am #894142
“Lets make a list of Gedolim from Lita” – Out of the 8 gedolim you mention only 2, Reb Chaim Brisker & Reb Chaim Ozer Grodzinski were from Lita. Rabbi Akiva Eiger and the Chofetz Chaim were from Poland, Reb Chaim Volozhiner, Reb Itzele Volozhiner & Reb Boruch Ber Leibowitz were from Belarus and the Chasam Sofer from Hungary. “Litvish” is one of the most misused expressions today. Most people who call themselves “Litvish” have no ancestors who ever lived in Lita.August 21, 2012 4:53 am at 4:53 am #894143
To be fair, Belarus was the biggest component of Lita. Chofets Chaim lived in Belarus.August 21, 2012 4:55 am at 4:55 am #894144
Lita has two parts: Lita(Lithuania) proper and Belarus(White Russia).August 21, 2012 10:49 am at 10:49 am #894146Moishe SMember
R’ Elchonon was close to the Slonimer Rebbe of his time. (Baranowitz and Slonim are very close.)
R’ Meir simcha was very close to the Rogochover Ga’on.
These sources can be found in literally every biography of the time.August 21, 2012 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #894147bp27Participant
Anyone who can put the Chasam Sofer in a list of “Gedolim from Lita” is obviously quite clueless.August 21, 2012 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #894148cherrybimParticipant
“The chofetz chaim quotes the baal hatanya”
The baal hatanya did most of his learning prior to studying with the mizriche magid.August 21, 2012 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #894149
chatzkal, I hope they were from Europe.
bp27, think about *why* I wrote that, then you may understand *what* I wrote.August 22, 2012 4:58 am at 4:58 am #894150August 22, 2012 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #894151ChortkovParticipant
R’ Chaim Volohzhin used to say over stories a lot to people about the wonders and ????? the Vilna Gaon did. He never told over stories about the Chassidisher gedolim. When he was asked about it, he said: “There are many ????? in the world. With the Vilna Gaon, i know that it is ??? ?????.”
?????? ????.August 22, 2012 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #8941522scentsParticipant
Lets say that what you are saying is true, how do you know that he meant is sarcastically?
Besides, you would be a fool if you think that Chassidshe Rebbes were not fully immersed in Tora.August 22, 2012 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #894153
yekke2: please provide a source. It should be noted that you only claim to quote him saying he knows what is ?? ????? not what is not ?? ?????. And I wonder if he generally didn’t say stories about other Gedolim (as is actually implied in the first sentence), and if his response about them would have been the same. I hope to see it in context if there even is any.August 22, 2012 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #894154ToiParticipant
2scents and kozov- see R yaakov hillel shlita’s book on practical kabbalah. it will answer your questions.August 22, 2012 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #894155
yekke: R’ Chaim Volohzhin never said that.August 22, 2012 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #894156
Toi you are being ridiculous. If you have anything of substance to say, say it. If not don’t tell me to read a book cover to cover. If you want quote a specific page (and bring a link if possible) and summarize it.August 22, 2012 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #894157ToiParticipant
okeedokee. chill out. i dont think i will though. and thanks for teaching me the rules. maybe start your own site…August 22, 2012 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #894158
You could obviously do whatever you want but nobody is going to take you seriously, in which case its pointless for you to post.August 23, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am #894159
Kozov, a person who knows Sheimos can perform miracles. If he is a choshuve Yid who does it le’shem Shamaim, he will be left alone. Otherwise, it may work beshas ma’ase, but he is going to get punished afterwards.August 23, 2012 2:01 am at 2:01 am #894160EnglishmanMember
Nu, the Baal Shem Tov and the Vilna Gaon and many other Rebbes and Rabbonim did ?????.
Klal Yisroel had (and has) many many choshuve yidden whose entire lives are l’sheim shamayim.August 23, 2012 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #894161MHYParticipant
Kozov wrote “Chasam Sofer (I believe he himself was a lubliner chossid)”
Perhaps he was a Lubavitcher???August 23, 2012 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #894162
It looks like I mixed up the Choze from Lublin with the Baal Haflaah, both Hurvitz, both Chasidim of the Maggid of Mezrich.August 23, 2012 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #894163
Chasam Sofer (I believe he himself was a lubliner chossid)
The Chasam Sofer was Chasidish?? Are you sure about that?August 23, 2012 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #894164RainusParticipant
Not only was the Chasam Sofer zt”l not a Chassid, but he was against Chassidus. A close friend of mine has worked on a book, showing, based on the very writings of the Chasam Sofer, that in over 200 places in his writings, he is uncomplimentary about Chassidus.
This does not mean he did not get along with Chassidim or their Rebbes. But it is clear that he had difficulties with their ideology and practices.August 23, 2012 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #894165
That’s completely untrue, also. He was never against Chasidus. Did he have different shittos? Just as he had different shittos than the Litvish.August 23, 2012 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #894166yytzParticipant
Here are some examples of Litvish gedolim saying positive things about Rebbe Nachman of Breslov and his works (taken from a Breslov website):
Rabbi Yisroel Meir HaCohen, author of “Chofetz Chaim”: “If you wish to draw close to Chassidism, draw close to Breslov. They keep and follow the Shulchan Aruch.”
The son of the Chofetz Chaim acustomed himself to praying with Breslover Chassidim in Warsaw.
Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky, the Steipler Gaon: “This book (Likutey Moharan) stirs me to fear of Heaven. And, I see that if there is a day that I don’t learn this book, I feel lacking in Heavenly fear.”
Rabbi Chaim Shmulevitz, Rosh Yeshiva of Mir: “Through (learning) Likutey Moharan, the mind is opened.” He also said “We work on trying to solve problems (in scripture) and they (Breslover Chassidim) work constantly on ‘fear Hashem and love Him all your days.'”
Rabbi Avraham Yeshaya Karelitz, author of “Chazon Ish”: “The light of lights of truth…” Rav Ben Tzion Apter said that here and there the Chazon Ish would speak to him about the strenght and greatness of Rebbe Nachman and each time would say “tell over a teaching of the Rebbe.”
Rabbi Elya Lopian on Rebbe Nachman’s books: “These are real books of ethics.”
Rabbi Eliyahu Dessler, author of “Michtav M’Eliyahu”, quotes from Rebbe Nachman in his books. In a letter to his children, he encouraged them to learn Breslov works in order to merit fear of Heaven.August 23, 2012 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #894167
Chazon Ish was a major Misnaged.August 23, 2012 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #894168
Shlishi, if someone “has different shittos” it means that he holds that the other person is wrong!August 23, 2012 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #894169shmoelMember
mdd: So the Chazon Ish held that mizrachi, sefardim and MO are wrong.August 24, 2012 1:23 am at 1:23 am #894170
Shlishi, no I’m not sure. That was something I remembered vaguely. He was definitely at least a Talmid and held the Baal Haflaah in high regard.August 24, 2012 2:45 am at 2:45 am #894171
Shmoel,I do not know about the Sefardim, but about the other 2 — yeno ho nami.August 30, 2012 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #894172REALISTMember
2Scents, Kozov, & Shlishi,
Don’t take Yekke to seriously.
He’s good at (mis)quoting Gedolim and twisting their thoughts to match his.
See his ‘pikchus’ in the video-editing thread.
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