March 19, 2023 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #2174899
This is exactly what the Trump supporters wanted with Hillary Clinton.
Now maybe they will realize that chanting about putting your political rival in jail was not appropriate and should have disqualified Trump from the very beginning.March 20, 2023 2:33 am at 2:33 am #2174942
Jack: he was joking about it and the democrats actually did it making democrats not only hypocrites but evil people.March 20, 2023 7:39 am at 7:39 am #2174946Little FroggieParticipant
Rubashkin will arrange his release!March 20, 2023 7:42 am at 7:42 am #2174954CTLAWYERParticipant
Everything about Trump was/is a joke, albeit a sick one. The American people were the butt of his jokes.
BTW, who did the Democrats put in Jail? A political party in the USA has no power to arrest, try, convict and sentence.
But, you are typical of the MAGA nuts, you don’t let facts color your opinion, you show hatred to the majority party and unwavering adherence to the orange one (May he soon be clothed in a matching prison jumpsuit).March 20, 2023 7:43 am at 7:43 am #2174965yechiellParticipant
besalel – work on your sentence structure. Democrats are evil, is that what you imply? Who invited neo-nazis for dinner in his home? Who proclaimed ‘there are good people on both sides’ when neo-nazis marched? Convenient to ignore the truth and the facts, eh?March 20, 2023 9:17 am at 9:17 am #2174990
CTL: The DA in Manhattan organizing this political persecution of his political enemy, much the same way they do in Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, and Iran, is an elected position. And Bragg is a Democrat political hack who made political promises during his election for DA on who he will prosecute and who not.March 20, 2023 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #2175074akupermaParticipant
It is common in many countries to use the legal system to “lock up” the opposition. Putin and Xi do it all the time. One of China’s “selling points” in seeking allies many Afro-Asian and Latin American countries, is that unlike all those western “do gooders”, they have no problem with countries in which the “rule of law” means prosecuting those opposed to the ruling party. Would you really want the authorities wasting their time chasing down petty criminals (muggers, burglars, murderers, rapists, etc.), when they should be devoting their energies to getting the “enemies of the people” off the street (and off the ballot). America has fallen behind the other major powers in this respects, so of course there is pressure to catch up. Only some antiquarian from the “good old days” would argue that what makes America great is that we tolerate political opinions even of those we don’t approve of.March 20, 2023 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2175093
Hillary Clinton, Dr Fauci, Hunter Biden, President Biden , and Nancy Pelosi are all not being indicted this week and will never be indicted.
Allen Weisselberg, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, George Papadopoulos, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, George Nader, Elliott Broidy , Steve Bannon and hundreds of January 6th participants have all been indicted and most have also gone to jail due to their connections to Trump.March 20, 2023 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #2175094
My personal feelings about Trump (mixed feelings) are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Democrats were so worked up about the “lock her up” chants and whined about the fact that locking up your political opponents is so un-American. But they knew and we all knew that Trump was never serious about locking her up. But the Democrats have spent every second trying to drag this man into prison for the terrible crime of entering politics. We all know that had he never entered politics, Bragg wouldn’t have cared about Daniels. So this makes Democrats hypocrites for behaving in a way they decried and it makes them evil for hunting down people with an opposing viewpoint. Contrary to CT’s defense that political parties lack the jurisdiction to carry out prosecutions, Tish James ran on the platform that she will use her position to prosecute Trump. Before she even knew for what.
Not that it matters at all but I voted for Obama twice. I am definitely not MAGA. On many social issues I am far-left. But you need to call a spade, a spade. This isn’t Bill Clinton’s Democrat party and its not even Obama’s. What we have today is a Democrat party that is quickly spiraling into a Nordic-style socialist, oppressive, regulatory, Big-Brother (and by the way, anti-Jewish) party.March 20, 2023 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm #2175129March 20, 2023 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #2175150
CTL: Even the left acknowleges that Bragg is using a novel legal theory to bring this “prosecution”. Additionally, Bragg rejected prosecuting this a year ago. but he came under intense political pressure from the left to change his mind. Furthermore, his predecessor didn’t prosecute this, even though this incident is 7 years old. And as mentioned earlier, Bragg campaigned for the office of DA promising to prosecute Trump, before he was even elected.March 20, 2023 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #2175212
They tried their hardest to lock Hillary up. She was under investigation until 2019 when her investigation for her email server ended. The investigation found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information.” If they had found something , she would have been locked up.
Before that she was under investigation for Ben Ghazi. She testified for 11 hours to the committee. Trump has not testified publicly for a single minute.
Democrats only want him to be convicted of crimes that he committed. Most of them he has loudly admitted to and publicly dared the justice system to get him.
His running for office was not a crime but a few things he did during the campaign and after winning might have been.
A lot of people are sitting in jail because of him and one is dead . He has not expressed any regret or requested forgiveness for ruining their lives. Michael Cohen was one of his closest lawyers who he then proceeded to destroy when Michael no longer wanted to commit perjury for him.
That people feel sorry for him that he might sit in jail is astonishing. He never expressed that feeling for hundreds and maybe thousands of people going to jail because of him.
Tish James is doing what she was elected to do – investigate Trump. Similar to what Trump promised to do with Hillary.March 20, 2023 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #2175222
Its a stupid prosecution that could (politically) jeopardize the Georgia case and several pending federal investigations for election interference. And in a rare case of agreement, Reb Yosef correctly notes the “novel” (aka dubious) application of the underlying statute here. Republicans should be supporting the right of every American to pay off their former mistress to avoid having their wives make their lives miserable.March 21, 2023 12:38 am at 12:38 am #2175290
Jack: one of the things about trump that bothers me the most is that he demands absolute loyalty but offers zero loyalty. What he did to Cohen is disgusting. But we all know that had he committed an actual crime, he would have prosecuted for that crime and not for this nonsense. I’m not even sure why paying hush money to cover an alleged affair -as immoral and gross it might be – is illegal. We all know this is a political witch hunt and we should all be against political witch hunts no matter how gross the target may seem to us.March 21, 2023 9:38 am at 9:38 am #2175348
What is especially amusing are the efforts by House Republicans to further twist themselves into know to protect this cholerah. They are insisting that the Manhattan DA come to testify about a prosecution that is still in progress and an indictment that doesn’t exist other than in Trump’s paranoid mind.March 21, 2023 11:29 am at 11:29 am #2175365hujuParticipant
To jackk: One correction re those people who went to jail – they went because they committed crimes, not because they were connected with Trump.March 21, 2023 12:05 pm at 12:05 pm #2175434
I cannot tell if you are serious.
If Trump would have accepted the results of the election and conceded then ALL THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE FREE.March 21, 2023 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #2175533
How is Trump the political enemy of Bragg? Trump can’t become the DA. He doesn’t have a license to practice law?March 21, 2023 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #2175552
You don’t need to be competing for the same office as Trump to hate him. Indeed, most of his political enemies aren’t running against him.March 21, 2023 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #2175569
The Republican’s “Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government” is totally living up to it’s name as McCarthy, Jordan and other members have intimidated, harassed, and attacked the Manhattan District Attorney in order to prevent him from completing his criminal investigation of Donald Trump.
Total hypocrites.March 21, 2023 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #2175587
So maybe this enmity is not political. They just hate him besides for politics. It would explain why someone would want to deface Trump Tower.March 21, 2023 6:08 pm at 6:08 pm #2175592
No. This discussed hatred of Trump didn’t exist by all these folks prior to Trump entering politics.March 22, 2023 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #2175945yechiellParticipant
Of course nothing happened today to arrest trump. he never will be.
Its something in his dna that prevents him for being indicted for the numerous crimes and misdemeanors he committed.
you will never see him in jail.
chaval ! too bad !!March 22, 2023 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #2176002Yserbius123Participant
@ujm Because no one really thought of him that much. He was a billionaire menuval ba’al gaivah and that’s all anyone care about. Perfect for TV and running his own brand, but no one was looking to him for moral guidance or to run a country.March 22, 2023 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #2176030
Trump has faced federal charges in every decade (Six!) since he started his bankruptcy enterprise.March 22, 2023 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #2176039
Dear N0: You and yseribus are changing the goal line of this train of thought. The only point relevant here is that this third-world style persecution pioneered by those in power in Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, China and Iran and picked up by the Democrats in power in the US attempting to use government power to “prosecute” their political enemy based on a novel legal theory for an act that occurred 7 years ago and the DA in office at the time didn’t prosecute and the newly elected Democrat hack DA also decided wasn’t prosecution material, despite having overtly campaigned for the office of DA promising to persecute his party’s political enemy, until his far left woke constituency demanded he reverse his decision not to prosecute, to which he complied.March 22, 2023 9:02 pm at 9:02 pm #2176065
Fair point. But your also playing with the goal line. Your conflating putting an opponent in prison with pandering to the base.
PS I don’t think either of these are playing a role in Mr. Bragg’s mind. It’s more like he thinks this is his
job. Not that we agree with him.March 22, 2023 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #2176129
CTL: Just to preempt your comment about a NYC public school teacher posting a terrible run-on sentence, I do not put as much effort (at all) into the grammar of my comments in a very active online discussion as I put into my dissertation.March 23, 2023 10:36 am at 10:36 am #2176289GadolHadofiParticipant
What was the topic of and degree for which you wrote your dissertation?March 30, 2023 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #2178886
… and he now has the exclusive record of being the only former president to be indicted in a criminal case.
He keeps racking up firsts and exclusive records.
There will be a lot more dishonorable records that will be attached to his name in the history books.
If you think it is good for the Republicans that he now has a bigger lead against DeSantis, then you are living in a different reality than the rest of the world.March 31, 2023 8:52 am at 8:52 am #2178919Dr. PepperParticipant
Quick question- all I’m asking for in the answer is either “yes” or “no”.
Would Bragg have acted the same way if it was President Biden?March 31, 2023 8:55 am at 8:55 am #2178998Amil ZolaParticipant
I seem to remember Hillary testifying under oath for hours and never taking the fifth. The former president once claimed that those taking the fifth were guilty. I’ll wait a few beats for the maga apologists to claim he was joking.March 31, 2023 8:56 am at 8:56 am #2179004Doing my bestParticipant
No one really knows what the charges are, however everyone knows that Bragg is a meshuganeh in general. I find it hard to simply trust that because he’s a prosecutor he’s probably just doing his job in prosecuting criminals. (Which would also be surprising because I don’t think he ever did his job of prosecuting criminals.)
Pashtus there is some type of “Sort-Of-Crime” here, like some technical reporting requirement that Trump skipped for whatever reason, the kind of thing that people wouldn’t normally care about until it’s a guy from the other party.
I’m just waiting for Biden to announce that he also did the same thing, but he’s coming clear within three months of realizing, so it doesn’t count 🙂April 1, 2023 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #2179072
Quick Answer – I don’t know.
Quick questions- all I’m asking for in the answer is either “yes” or “no”.
Has Biden called for Trump to be locked up before he was indicted or even investigated ?
Did Biden have rallies where there were constant shouts of “lock him up ” to thunderous applause ?April 2, 2023 12:09 am at 12:09 am #2179223
Aside from chants at MAGA rallies, Trump has at various times called for the prosecution and imprisonment of the 4 most recent Democratic presidents or presidential nominees (Biden, Clinton, Obama and Kerry) along with about a 20 other federal and state judges, senators, Congressman and other elected officials. What goes around comes around.April 3, 2023 3:46 pm at 3:46 pm #2179546Dr. PepperParticipant
It’s hard having a normal conversation with someone who’s either a blatant liar or is totally clueless. By stating that you don’t know if the charges are politically motivated, you’re putting yourself into one of those categories.
But you did ask me two quick questions and I’ll give you two quick answers.
“No” and “No” (At least not that I know of)
And here’s why-
Former President Trump called for Ms. Clinton to be locked up for storing classified material unlawfully on an insecure server (which is punishable by jail time regardless of whether she knew what she was doing was illegal). Look up the case of Kristian Saucier, he went to jail because his last name isn’t Clinton. Former President Trump wasn’t afraid to call for her to be locked up because he knew that the chant couldn’t be turned around at him.
Former President Trump is a brilliant businessman who used his genius to make himself into a multi-billionaire when there were literally only a handful of them on the planet. The last thing President Biden needs is for people to question where his money came from so he, or the puppeteers who control his life (e.g. The Easter Bunny), wouldn’t dare call for Former President Trump to be locked up based on his business practices.
Similarly, Former President Trump’s moral behavior is nothing to look up to, yet it would be pretty dumb for President Biden (who started living with Jill while she was married to someone else and has dozens upon dozens of videos on YouTube of him forcibly touching females in an unwanted manner) to publicly comment about that.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.