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April 12, 2015 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #615464Jewish ThinkerParticipant
If, chas vesholom, a post with loshon hara on it slips past the mods, can I still post on that thread and bump it, thus making other people read it? Is that considered violating Lifnei Ivar?
April 12, 2015 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1144717JosephParticipantYou’re not allowed to even read it.
April 12, 2015 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1144718YW Moderator-29 👨💻ModeratorI have often refrained from bumping a thread for that reason.
April 12, 2015 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1144719JosephParticipantWhy not delete the problematic post instead?
April 12, 2015 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #1144720Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph, but let’s by mistake I stumbled on it, can I still bump the thread? Moderator, is it difficult, in general, to delete posts?
April 12, 2015 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1144721YW Moderator-29 👨💻ModeratorIt is not hard to delete a post. It is hard to delete several posts that change the integrity of the thread. If Halacha dictates, however, that that is right, than we should not be worrying about the level of difficulty. Did you have something specific in mind?
April 12, 2015 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1144722JosephParticipantIMO, bumping is lifnei ivar because more people will see the l”h. The better option is to notify a mod so it could potentially be redacted.
April 12, 2015 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1144723Little FroggieParticipant-29, Thank you (I’m sure you meant all the bad ones about me)
April 12, 2015 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #1144724Jewish ThinkerParticipantModerator- Can you increase the the awareness of loshon hara. I know you work very hard but can you please try a little bit harder to take out loshon hara.
April 12, 2015 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #1144725Jewish ThinkerParticipantI would also like each member of the Coffee Room to increase their awareness of posting loshon hara on the CR. There are some who are careful and some who are not so careful. Please let us all try, bli neder, to be more careful.
April 13, 2015 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1144726Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph-Are you sure that bumping violates Lifnei Ivar?
April 13, 2015 1:58 am at 1:58 am #1144727JosephParticipantlefi aniyus daati, yes.
April 13, 2015 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1144728Jewish ThinkerParticipantThank you, Joseph
April 13, 2015 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1144729Jewish ThinkerParticipantHow about if I post on a thread, thus making people who search on Google find it easily. They go on it and might see the other threads that by mistake have loshon hara on them. Is that Lifnie Ivar?
April 13, 2015 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1144730👑RebYidd23Participanttroll on.
April 13, 2015 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1144731Little FroggieParticipantAm I allowed to write that D<<Automatically Removed by Lashon Hara Sensor Censor>>
April 13, 2015 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #1144732Jewish ThinkerParticipantAlso, if I troll and write something that could easily lead to people to say loshon hara that could be avak loshon hara, I think.
April 13, 2015 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #1144733👑RebYidd23ParticipantTrolling doesn’t cause loshon hara.
April 13, 2015 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1144734Jewish ThinkerParticipantIt depends what type of trolling.
April 13, 2015 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1144735👑RebYidd23ParticipantThe trollness is not what causes the loshon hara.
April 17, 2015 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1144736Jewish ThinkerParticipantWhat about on a thread where there is loshon hara but the victim of the negative talk was greatly defended? Is it still Lifnie Ivar to bump?
April 17, 2015 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1144737Jewish ThinkerParticipantThe trollness is not what causes the loshon hara.
Come on, of course some trolling causes loshon hara.
April 17, 2015 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1144738Jewish ThinkerParticipantIt is not hard to delete a post.
I think it says in the rules that it is harder to edit a post than completely delete it.
April 17, 2015 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1144739JosephParticipantYou sound like you desperately want to make a post on that loshon horadike thread. 😉
April 19, 2015 2:11 am at 2:11 am #1144740Jewish ThinkerParticipantJoseph, What is your opinion on my other questions of lifnie ivar?
April 19, 2015 2:57 am at 2:57 am #1144741JosephParticipantYour last one is a more difficult question. But is not the halacha that if you start overhearing l”h you’re obligated to leave or close your ears you that you should hear no further?
April 19, 2015 4:18 am at 4:18 am #1144742👑RebYidd23ParticipantSome trolling causes loshon hara, but the post would cause the same lashon hara if it wasn’t a troll.
April 19, 2015 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #1144743pleasecarefulMemberMods-I have seen many posts containing loshon hara. I do not think that people realize that speaking about a group in general or a public figure can be considered loshon hara. Also, even those times where for one reason or another, something is permitted to be said, it almost always leads to another person saying something similar in a different circumstance where it IS loshon hara. I think specifically about the chol hmoed Chillul Hashem article and th shabbos switch article in particular as examples of where articles and comments reflect readers’ own opinions about other people. Almost anytime someone discusses someone else, especially in a public forum, it will lead to loshon hara.
April 24, 2015 4:40 pm at 4:40 pm #1144744Jewish ThinkerParticipantI was thining about this a little, and it may be possible that bumping a thread with loshon hara on it might fall under the Rambam’s heter of aplie telasa.
May 31, 2015 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1144745Jewish ThinkerParticipantThe Rambam’s heter of aplie telasa lets me repeat loshon hara if it was said in front of three people, and it is the first time, ie. if someone said loshon hara in front of 3 and then one of the 3 repeated it to 3, those 3 can’t repeat it. (There are loads of limitations to this rule, so don’t take this at face value).
So when I bump a thread, I am just repeating over the original loshon hara, in a sense, it is in front of 3 and then I am just repeating it. Maybe there is something to rely upon.
Anyone agree of disagree?
June 8, 2015 12:17 am at 12:17 am #1144746Jewish ThinkerParticipantBump
June 8, 2015 1:09 am at 1:09 am #1144747Jewish ThinkerParticipantTosafos’s heter of aplie telasa is different.
June 12, 2015 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #1144748Jewish ThinkerParticipantBump
April 1, 2016 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #1144749Jewish ThinkerParticipantJust to clarify:
I was interested in starting a discussion and discussing these halachos. Some may assume that I believe it is advisable to pasken from the CR which I believe is unwise.
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