October 8, 2013 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #610830Lost1970Member
The question of the Lost Tribes is very interesting. There is an opinion that Pashtun are the lost Israelis.
The Pashtun did not suffer during the 1940s, but many in the Western World are not aware of the fate of Afghanistan in 1980s.October 9, 2013 1:59 am at 1:59 am #978134ChchamMember
Pashtun as in the Taliban?October 9, 2013 2:17 am at 2:17 am #978135
“Lost” Jewish communities frequently pop up in strange places, and the more so since DNA testing can shed light on the matter. There is no indication that any of them are connected to the ten shevatim that “disappeared” after the Assyrians trashed Eretz Yisrael. In all fairness, any of them who were so inclined could have linked up with the large Jewish community in Bavel the came into existence shortly afterwards, and lasted until the mid-20th century. You can’t be “lost” when there were well established Jewish communities in the neighborhood.
All Muslims follow many Jewish minhagim since they copied them from us. Any virtually everyone is a “mash up” of DNAs so you really can’t connect anyone from today to someone to 2000 years ago based solely on genetics. The Pahtuns have all sorts of dubious legends, but clearly appear to be Aryan (not Semitic) linguistically, with strong connection to Iran and the Indian subcontinent.October 9, 2013 2:35 am at 2:35 am #978136147Participant
Hire a private investigator to track them down. They are good at tracking down lost children in custody battles, so I am sure they could well use their expertize to track down our 10 lost brothers.October 9, 2013 2:53 am at 2:53 am #978137
It is better for the tribes if we assume that all of these groups aren’t Jewish, even if some might actually be.October 9, 2013 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #978138twistedParticipant
There is a memrah that Yirmiyahu went and retrieved the ten shvatim. Also, prior to the their galus, there would have been individuals seeking torah and truth and stability migrated to Yehudah and to the metropolis Yerushalayim. So they are among us thru Bavel, or thru galus Rome. And the thirteenth tribe, the Khazari, are among us as well.October 9, 2013 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #978139ChchamMember
Do the Khazari have the same status as the other 12 tribes?October 10, 2013 12:13 am at 12:13 am #978140
Chacham: No. They wouldn’t have a Yerusha in Eretz Yisrael. However, a recent study indicates a strong portion of Ashkenazi Jews have Indo-European matrilineal descent and are Near-eastern patrilinially, which would not be an issue of this.October 10, 2013 12:57 am at 12:57 am #978141
Chcham: The Khazers were a group in central Asia, and some of their ruling class converted in themiddle ages. When their country broke up, the Jews there moved to Sefardi countries (people traced some of them). In all fairness, except for some elites, the bulk of the Khazer Jews were probably Jewish refugees from the Roman (Byzantime) Empire. At the time the Khahazar state was destroyed, Europe was rather backwards and there was nothing to attract them since they had the option of moving to Arab territories (and note that the Khazar Jews had considered themselves an extension of the Jews in Bavel- which is where they went to learn and to ask shalohs).
The idea of Ashkenazim being descended from Khazers was dreamed up by some frei Jews for several reasons: 1) so they could disassociate themselves from klal Yisrael without feeling guilty about cutting themsevles off from the people; 2) so they could tell the Russians (in the Czarist period) that they were descended from those who the Russian believed killed their diety; 3) so they could tell the Nazis they really were Aryans, and as such shouldn’t be persecuted by.October 10, 2013 1:02 am at 1:02 am #978142
Sam2: Indo-European refers to a language family (a.k.a. Aryan) and is not something that can be determined by genetics. For example, most American Jews speak an Indo-European language (English), but have nothing to do genetically with the people of the British Isles.
The DNA suggests that Ashekanzi Jews are much more likely to be of Middle Eastern descent than the goyim we live among, that with a few weird exceptions most Jews are more closely related to each other than to the goyim, and that we have had only negligible numbers of converts since ancient time. Oh, and most Kohanim seem to have a more middle eastern profile than most other Jews. But as with most DNA “evidence” all it does is show that the historical record isn’t a forgery, which isn’t surprising. THe only “surprises” from DNA evidence have been to discover that all the revisionist theories are wishful thinking by nutcases.October 10, 2013 4:05 am at 4:05 am #978143
Akuperma: There was a major study on this published less than a week ago. I’m not saying whether it’s accurate or not, but it deserves to be mentioned.October 10, 2013 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #978144apushatayidParticipant
Lets work on ahavas yisroel of confirmed MOTs before trying to look for more.
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