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    mik5
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    I have a habit of answering Amen very loudly (and I enjoy doing so). Some people say they like it, whereas others say I should do it a little bit less loudly. What do you think? Has anyone read the book “Serenade the King” about the power of answering Amen?

    #845632

    WolfishMusings
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    If you are disturbing others, then you should not do so that loudly.

    The bottom line is this — you are 100% yotzei by saying Amen in a normal voice. If you want to do so in a louder voice and you think it’s the right thing for you to do with regard to your ruchniyus and connection to HKBH, then all the more power to you… but it can’t be at someone else’s expense. If it’s disturbing the person next to you to the point where they can’t concentrate on their davening or even if it just makes them uncomfortable, then you should not do so. You should not build your personal ruchniyus on the backs of other people.

    The Wolf

    #845633

    Mom5 while the loudness of your amen may be in fact your way of honoring hashem and getting enthusiastic the halacha is that it must be quieter than the bracha. I do not have a source for that but that’s according to what I learned

    #845634

    wanderingchana
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    Do you get more zechus the louder you say it? Is it so loud that others can’t hear themselves say it?

    Are you saying it so loudly because you’re afraid Hashem won’t hear you if you say it softer, or are you saying it so loudly in order to be noticed by others?

    #845635

    ED IT OR
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    its a beautiful inyan I personally also try to say it in a kol rom

    But:

    you are not allowed to say amen louder than the brocho!

    and anyway if it is disturbing others definitely say it in a “softer” way.

    and in this zechus may it be a Refuoh for all those of clall yisroel in need.

    #845636

    Shticky Guy
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    ??? ??? ???? ??? needs to be said ??? ???? acc to some ???????, but not a regular ??? which should be said quieter than the ???? itself.

    #845637

    g73
    Member

    ????? ?? ?? ???? ?

    ??? ?? ??? ?? ???: ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?? ????? – ?????: ???? ??’ ??? ??????? ??? ????

    #845638

    oomis
    Participant

    Crazybrit is right. When someone says a bracha softly, you answer amein the same way. Some people feel like a person who says a loud amein (which CAN be disturbing at times), is “showing off,” as was implied by Wandering Chana. If yuo are doing it to show others what a good little amein sayer you are, you defeat the purpose of doing it for the kovod of Hashem.

    Some of the time a loud amein is very appropriate,i.e. when someone comes up to me and says I should be zocheh to marry off my single kids this year. I guarantee you that NO one says amein

    louder than I do, in that case. 🙂

    I have another issue. A total stranger (frum man)approached my husband and me in a local coffee shop and in a NICE way gave me mussar for saying my bracha over the coffee too softly for HIM to hear to answer amein.

    #845639

    @crazybrit – I disagree with your username, you’re not crazy at all. 🙂

    I personally think it’s great when everyone else does so as well, but when only 1 person does so in shul it does bother me a little, it does disturb my kavonoh.

    #845640

    yahud
    Member

    crazybit: “you are not allowed to say amen louder than the brocho!” dosnt apply to chazaras hashats

    #845641

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Oomis, you should be zocheh to marry off your single kids this year!

    #845642

    ED IT OR
    Participant

    the chassidish gateshead, (and all)

    thank you I know,

    though I will stick with my username,

    ‘tcg’ thank you especially, considering I know who you are! I.matched up an old foreign language newspaper interview with some of your comments!

    cheers everyone

    CRAZYbrit

    #845643

    MDG
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    Shticky Guy said:

    “??? ??? ???? ??? needs to be said ??? ???? acc to some ???????, but not a regular ??? which should be said quieter than the ???? itself. “

    I beleive that the commentaries there (Shabbat 119b) explain ??? ???? as being with all your Kavanah, not really your voice.

    #845644

    oomis
    Participant

    D”Y AMEIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (very, VERY loudly)

    Thank you.

    #845645

    Sam2
    Participant

    Yahud: I don’t think that’s true. Source please.

    Oomis: In regards to your story, I am often very Mapkid on making my Brachos quietly when others are around. If they’re not paying attention properly or just not thinking about it then I would have C”V caused them to not answer Amen when possible.

    #845646

    Abelleh
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    Yahud: The aruch halshuchan says this din. However, he says it regarding Rabbeim being michuzak their talmidim. He similarly says it by kriyas hatorah; the ba’al korey can say amen louder so that everyone realizes that laining is about to begin. (I learnt this a while ago and don’t remember were to find it).

    #845647

    wanderingchana
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    Oomis: I think that if he knew you were saying a bracha, even if he didn’t hear the whole thing, he can still say Amein (but not loudly). 🙂

    But then if you said it loud enough for people to hear in a coffee shop, someone else might come up to you and say you it’s not tznius 🙁

    *sigh* can’t win sometimes…

    #845648

    HaLeiVi
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    Rashi explains that it means B’chol Kavanaso, and other Rishonim explain it litteraly. The Maharal explains it to mean with full pronunciation, not just mouthing it and to completely open and close the lips.

    #845649

    BTGuy
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    Hi mik5

    Someone should correct me on this if I am wrong.

    But it became my understanding that the volume of “Amens” should be in line with the volume

    of the davening and bracha being said. Not louder; and not much lower.

    If someone can expound, I would appreciate that.

    #845650

    oomis
    Participant

    Wnadering Chana, personally I found it not so tzniusdig for a male stranger to come over to me to tell me that I should have made my bracha louder.

    BTGuy – – that is precisely how I learned it. The tone of the amein should match the bracha.

    #845651

    kapusta
    Participant

    i.e. when someone comes up to me and says I should be zocheh to marry off my single kids this year. I guarantee you that NO one says amein

    louder than I do, in that case. 🙂

    DY got to the bracha before I did (but I had the same idea. Honest!), and you’re obviously older than me but I’ll give you one anyway. May you be zoche to marry off your single kids to the right one (for each) at the right time which will be soon IY”H.

    *kapusta*

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