Machlokes over Eruv versus Machlokes over sports

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  • #1410783
    Joseph
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    Comparatively, it’s much better for a community to have a machlokes over an Eruv than a machlokes over sports, if the alternatives are only one or the either (in a hypothetical scenario.)

    A machlokes over an Eruv indicates the community’s focus is engaged and cares about ruchniyos issues. A machlokes over sports indicates a community’s focus is engaged and cares about goyishe issues.

    #1410877
    zahavasdad
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    A Machlokes over ruchniyos can also cause more serious machlokeses, You know the old joke there are 2 jews on a deserted island. How many shuls are there. The answer is 3. One each of them wont go to and the 3rd neither of them will go to

    A Machlokes over spots everyone knows really isnt serious and they can still be friends. Everyone knows its just trash talk

    Better to have a machlokes over something not serious and be friends than have a machlokes over something serious and cause serious Sinas chinam

    #1410893
    WolfishMusings
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    Not that there should be machlokes, but the two are not mutually exclusive. You could have arguments over both (or neither).

    The Wolf

    #1410912
    iacisrmma
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    What community is fighting over an eiruv?

    #1410943
    Joseph
    Participant

    “in a hypothetical scenario”

    #1410944
    Meno
    Participant

    What (frum) community is fighting over sports?

    #1411000
    Joseph
    Participant

    It’s far better to passionately care about matters of kedusha and how to best serve Hashem than to passionately care about matters of bittul zman and goyishe zachen.

    Even if that passion leads one a bit to the extreme, better to be extreme about Yiddishe matters than passionate about goyishe matters. The former displays care about what Hashem wants (even if he went too far in his passion) whereas the latter displays that one’s heart is in gashmiyus.

    #1411006
    zahavasdad
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    Unfortunatly fighting over an Eruv is becoming too common in certain places and sometimes cause people to do averahs when people against the eruv go beyond just an argument

    #1412335
    Avram in MD
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    Meno,

    What (frum) community is fighting over sports?

    Frum communities where there are sports teams that are actually good. Unlike yours, apparently. >:)

    #1412740
    funnybone
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    How about a machlokes over pickles on marshmallows?

    A machlokes about an Eruv is a serious machlokes. In Boro Park, there are some people who feel that you are being mechalel Shabbos!!
    A machlokes about sports is unimportant and I assume, that most people don’t have strong feelings toward people that agree with them.

    #1412847
    Joseph
    Participant

    there are some people who feel that you are being mechalel Shabbos!!

    Which is a halachic opinion they are entitled to legitimately have.

    A machlokes about sports is unimportant

    Which is why it is an example of a worse machlokes that should never degenerate into a machlokes. The same as a machlokes over pickles on marshmallows.

    Unlike a legitimate machlokes.

    But the point is one who has a machlokes over an Eruv is showing that the things he cares most deeply about is figuring out, and doing, what Hashem wants. But one who has a machlokes over sports or marshmallows is showing that the things he cares most deeply about is his ego or what his stomach wants.

    #1412868
    akuperma
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    What’s the connection between eruv and sports. Even in a no-eruv place, most sports take place in enclosed facilities, and many sports people might engage in on Shabbos don’t raise questions of carrying (e.g. basketball, ping pong, chess). THe halachic issues of sports on Shabbos pertain to bitul Torah, and occasinally doing something that risks digging or smoothing the ground, or creating an injury that draws blood.

    #1413636
    Avi K
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    The eruv, as it’s name indicates, is supposed to bring Jews together.

    #1413637
    Avi K
    Participant

    OOPs. Its name.

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