December 29, 2015 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #616932
What do they mean when they say academic?December 29, 2015 3:59 pm at 3:59 pm #1132453
It’s supposedly very text-based and very intellectual. I’ve heard that it’s a non-yeshivish BJJ.December 29, 2015 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1132454FriendInFlatbushParticipant
I’ve heard that BJJ is the yeshivish Machon Raaya.December 29, 2015 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1132455
I’d change that to “less yeshivish BJJ,” but otherwise that’s pretty accurate. Lots of homework, quizzes, tests, projects, education courses… They take a lot of pride in the amount of work, which they translate as “academicness.”
I went to Michlalah, where I felt like I learned just as much without homework being so emphasized. However, I also have friends who loved Machon Raaya and didn’t think the work was crazy at all, so…December 30, 2015 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #1132456
Michlala is more academic, no?December 31, 2015 12:54 am at 12:54 am #1132457
Right, so everyone says that. I probably took the most academic classes possible (like the 9-credit chumash class…) and I had VERY little work. My Machon Raaya friends had much more. We just had the good learning. I was almost unique in that I had four classes with more than one test per semester, or even per year. Most classes are either midterm-final, final only, or final-project only. If you pick your classes right, you’re essentially on vacation. (I picked my classes right and learned an insane amount, even if I did work a little, so it’s what you make of it 🙂 .)
There’s a weekly parsha quiz, a term paper (which I’ve heard they’ve gotten rid of!) and a yedios klalios test. Much less than my friends at BY seminaries. Compared to my friends at MO seminaries who had literally no work, though, we were working our heads off.
I think the reputation may come because they have reasonably high standards for admission, not because the school itself is hard.December 31, 2015 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1132458
What is Michalal? People mention it so much. Ca you tell me more about it? It sounds israeli…December 31, 2015 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #1132459
I thought I’d already talked it up here… 🙂 http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/i-know-this-sounds-like-a-stupid-question
Bekitzur- you may have heard of it as Michlalah Yerushalayim/R’ Copperman’s Michlalah in Bayit VeGan. It started as a regular michlalah (specifically for education) but about 40-some-odd years ago they started a chutznik yearlong sem program within that program. It’s still going strong. Like the college, it lies kind of on a border between charedi and DL, which is a lot easier to pull off when you’re dealing with chutznikim :), and it has a lot of amazing, really diverse girls and has a great program.
Like I mentioned in the other thread, while they don’t usually accept Anglo Israelis for the chutznik program, they sometimes have a specific program for them, depending on availability (though they advertise it all the time).January 1, 2016 6:09 am at 6:09 am #1132460
Anyway I can get in touch with them. For some reason MR isn’t answering us…
Very frustrating. Don’t they have a phone number?January 1, 2016 6:26 am at 6:26 am #1132461
after going to college no seminary is as much academic as a degree in the medical field like doctor, dentist, or pharmacist. But seminary is an excellent place to study and get closer to Hashem no matter how much work there is.January 1, 2016 6:56 am at 6:56 am #1132462I. M. ShluffinParticipant
They’re in middle of finals now, so the office may be a little more busy than usual. Keep trying!
“What do they mean when they say academic?”
It means that they have tests and homework and stuff. (But that doesn’t imply that everyone does it.) One teacher has you prepare for her twice-weekly class by reading a perek with rashi and metzudos and then taking a short quiz on it. There are a few big reports, which take up a lot of time. If you love learning, as most of the MR girls do, you’ll love doing the reports. I know it sounds weird. I learned so much from preparing and researching. I loved looking things up and feeling like a guy in beis medrash, sitting at the teachers desk at 2 AM with an impressive-looking pile of sefarim in front of me. I just didn’t like taking the time to do it.
Midterms and finals are pretty stressful, as you might expect. But you can study with friends in Gan Sacher, the big public park – that makes it more enjoyable.
The core classes typically have more work than the electives. It depends on which electives you take. If you take more than the required electives, you’re also letting yourself in for more work. But I would have taken all of them if I could 🙂
The teachers are amazing and the classes are amazing and the girls are amazing and the location is amazing and the chef is amazing and Machon Raaya is INCREDIBLE!!!!! You should go. Just saying.January 1, 2016 10:43 am at 10:43 am #1132463
Well, they don’t answer their emails. Do they have a phone number?January 1, 2016 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1132464
Would you recommend it for me? I was looking into it only problem is that i didnt go to high school only college and i love learning and i am a straight a student just didnt go to high school unfortunately and i am use to staying up and studying the whole night thanks to bio and chem and i love connecting all the fascinating things i learn in bio and chem to the Torah and i do study bymyself judaic studies.January 1, 2016 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1132465
moderators can you please give me a subtitle? something about loving Hashem and mitzvo’s? Thanks.January 2, 2016 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1132466
Yeah, why not?January 2, 2016 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1132467
because i never want to high school because i was homeschooled everyone else is coming straight from high school im coming from collegeJanuary 3, 2016 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1132468
You are coming from college??? Wow…Hatzlacha.
Most sems try to tell girls not to go to college but you’ve already been there.January 4, 2016 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #1132469
yep thats why people are saying that i may have issues going.January 4, 2016 8:20 pm at 8:20 pm #1132470mitzva girlMember
what type of girls go to kesser chaya?January 4, 2016 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #1132471
my type.January 5, 2016 3:06 am at 3:06 am #1132472
MsPrincess- if you claim to be so smart, then Kesser Chaya is probably not for you. It has a non-academic reputation- more of a party seminary.
Before I get attacked by people who went to Kesser Chaya- my cousin is one of the principals there, and she is a wonderful person. I have met many equally wonderful Kesser Chaya girls. It’s just not academic.January 5, 2016 3:58 am at 3:58 am #1132473
i actually claim in real life to be dumb. i just love learning and in the end of the day Hashem gives me a bracha to succeed and make it thru med school.January 5, 2016 6:06 am at 6:06 am #1132474
Then please go back to the other thread on OTD and listen to what the people there are telling you… because that requires life smarts, not book smarts.
Kesser Chaya doesn’t sound like your type on any level, anyway.January 10, 2016 12:10 am at 12:10 am #1132475mitzva girlMember
what type of girls go to kc?January 13, 2016 12:41 am at 12:41 am #1132476chushuvazachMember
where is kesser chaya located ?January 13, 2016 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1132477HealthParticipant
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Question – Why do all the seminary girls, after marriage, become baby sitters?January 13, 2016 3:43 am at 3:43 am #1132478studious1Member
i just wanted to say i have a friend in keser chaya and while it is not academic test wise they do have very deep and hashkafic classes (and more classes than other sems) so it’s not a party sem…its located in givaat shaulJanuary 13, 2016 10:09 am at 10:09 am #1132479chushuvazachMember
I have a neighbor in Kesser Chaya and when I heard that its not too acedemic it all made sense to meJanuary 13, 2016 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #1132480HashemisreadingParticipant
I didnt go to Keser Chaya but I remember my year it was pretty much a party but I actually heard their starting to get more academic.. They don’t want to have the name of a party seminary anymorJanuary 17, 2016 5:59 am at 5:59 am #1132481BasmelechpenimaParticipant
A seminary shouldn’t be academic, it should be about making a connection with hashem and growing in your avodas and yiras hashem. I went to a seminary that didn’t have any tests or work at all and I gained and thrived more than I have throughout my previous yeshiva system education. It was all lishma and I think accomplished exactly what a seminary year is supposed to do.January 18, 2016 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1132482
Basmelechpenima- academic is by no means a stira to being about growing in avodas Hashem. It CAN be– if the academics are made into the ????. Obviously it says ?? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?????. But just because the ???? isn’t the ????, doesn’t mean that it isn’t important to learn and to know!
Some girls need more hashkafa and less textual learning in order to grow in avodas Hashem. Others internalize lessons best when they learn quickly and learn a lot. Everyone has their own style which is best for them.
Personally, I know that although I love to learn on a high level, I needed a seminary that was not quite as academic in order to shift my focus from the ???? to the ????. If I had gone to BJJ or a similarly academic place, I would’ve been so focused on the academics that I would not have gained as much on a spiritual and emotional level.January 19, 2016 2:16 am at 2:16 am #1132483
I learned an incredible amount on an intellectual and textual level in seminary. It is by far the most impactful thing I got from my experience. For me, if I’d heard hashkafa speeches all day I would have been miserable. The act of learning Torah is what made the spirituality really a part of me.January 19, 2016 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1132484
writersoul- which supports what I said about different styles of learning and connecting.January 19, 2016 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1132485
Right, yes. I was just providing a different perspective than Basmelechpenima’s (batteling the “there are no black sheep in Scotland” argument, if you will).January 19, 2016 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1132486HashemisreadingParticipant
For me, if i would have done only textual learning in seminary, i would not be where i am today.
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