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    klach
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    What exactly is Machshava and why is it not so mainstream within the yeshivish velt?

    #1029281

    HaLeiVi
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    Machshava means thinking, and it’s a pretty common thing to do in Yeshivos as far as I know.

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    klach
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    Machshava is basically Jewish philosophy and deals with the deep profound questions like the inner workings of the universe. It is also known as the precursor to kabbalah in that one needs to master machshava in order to progress to kabbalah.

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    ItcheSrulik
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    Machashava means thinking. That’s why it isn’t very mainstream, in yeshivos or elsewhere. 😉

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    ilovetheholyland
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    most girls high schools that i know of have machshava classes.

    #1029285

    klach
    Member

    My sister claims to lear it – I looked over her notes – they do a superficial overview of a few topics, nothing more.

    #1029286

    ilovetheholyland
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    i think it would depend on the teacher and on the girl. you can have a very passionate teacher teaching in depth to superficial girls and she wont get anywhere. you can also have a teacher barely touching on a subject yet if the girls are deep enough, they will take what they need from it.

    #1029287

    klach
    Member

    machshava is a hard subject to master in even a minor way.

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    mewho
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    oh my , i thought it was machshefa

    #1029289

    klach
    Member

    “oh my , i thought it was machshefa”

    close

    #1029290

    always here
    Participant

    me, too, mewho! :-O

    #1029291

    Machshava is such a general term, it is ridiculous. Critical thinking: why don’t we teach it? Because teachers are lazy.

    #1029292

    mewho
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    but the word chashuv is important

    #1029293

    ilovetheholyland
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    “machshava is a hard subject to master in even a minor way.”

    i dont think machshava is something that can ever really be “mastered”. i think it should be taught, it should be learned, and each individual can take what he needs from it according to the level that he is at. its not somthing that you can ever really finish learning.

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    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I think. Therefore I am.

    #1029295

    Sam2
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    YW: Whoa! Descartes is totally Assur (as is the existentialist meaning behind his statement, probably).

    #1029296

    writersoul
    Member

    Descartes was sitting in a bar when the bartender asked him if he’d like another drink. He said “I think not” and immediately vanished.

    Girls’ machshava classes are of dramatically varying quality and really depend on the teacher (not even the school- throughout my four years of high school, I had four different teachers at various points who attempted to teach a class they called machshava with wildly varying results).

    Not entirely sure whether the best ones were really good or the worst ones were really bad simply because I don’t know what machshava is actually supposed to be ideally.

    #1029297

    Randomex
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    I think “I think, therefore I am” was Descartes’ proof of his own existence – he had to be there if he could contemplate the question. I don’t see why that would be assur, Sam2.

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