June 26, 2011 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #597639
What exactly is Machshava and why is it not so mainstream within the yeshivish velt?June 26, 2011 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1029281HaLeiViParticipant
Machshava means thinking, and it’s a pretty common thing to do in Yeshivos as far as I know.June 26, 2011 6:33 pm at 6:33 pm #1029282
Machshava is basically Jewish philosophy and deals with the deep profound questions like the inner workings of the universe. It is also known as the precursor to kabbalah in that one needs to master machshava in order to progress to kabbalah.June 26, 2011 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1029283ItcheSrulikMember
Machashava means thinking. That’s why it isn’t very mainstream, in yeshivos or elsewhere. 😉June 26, 2011 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #1029284
most girls high schools that i know of have machshava classes.June 26, 2011 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #1029285
My sister claims to lear it – I looked over her notes – they do a superficial overview of a few topics, nothing more.June 26, 2011 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1029286
i think it would depend on the teacher and on the girl. you can have a very passionate teacher teaching in depth to superficial girls and she wont get anywhere. you can also have a teacher barely touching on a subject yet if the girls are deep enough, they will take what they need from it.June 27, 2011 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1029287
machshava is a hard subject to master in even a minor way.June 27, 2011 12:52 am at 12:52 am #1029288mewhoParticipant
oh my , i thought it was machshefaJune 27, 2011 12:54 am at 12:54 am #1029289
“oh my , i thought it was machshefa”
closeJune 27, 2011 12:57 am at 12:57 am #1029290always hereParticipant
me, too, mewho! :-OJune 27, 2011 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1029291pascha bchochmaMember
Machshava is such a general term, it is ridiculous. Critical thinking: why don’t we teach it? Because teachers are lazy.June 27, 2011 1:02 am at 1:02 am #1029292mewhoParticipant
but the word chashuv is importantJune 27, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #1029293
“machshava is a hard subject to master in even a minor way.”
i dont think machshava is something that can ever really be “mastered”. i think it should be taught, it should be learned, and each individual can take what he needs from it according to the level that he is at. its not somthing that you can ever really finish learning.August 19, 2014 8:06 am at 8:06 am #1029294YW Moderator-42Moderator
I think. Therefore I am.August 19, 2014 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1029295Sam2Participant
YW: Whoa! Descartes is totally Assur (as is the existentialist meaning behind his statement, probably).August 19, 2014 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1029296writersoulMember
Descartes was sitting in a bar when the bartender asked him if he’d like another drink. He said “I think not” and immediately vanished.
Girls’ machshava classes are of dramatically varying quality and really depend on the teacher (not even the school- throughout my four years of high school, I had four different teachers at various points who attempted to teach a class they called machshava with wildly varying results).
Not entirely sure whether the best ones were really good or the worst ones were really bad simply because I don’t know what machshava is actually supposed to be ideally.August 22, 2014 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1029297RandomexMember
I think “I think, therefore I am” was Descartes’ proof of his own existence – he had to be there if he could contemplate the question. I don’t see why that would be assur, Sam2.
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