October 23, 2013 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #610985
Are there people nowadays who know real majic? or is Keeshoof a thing of the past.October 23, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #982511strawberryMember
You mean magic???October 24, 2013 12:32 am at 12:32 am #982512
strawberry- shoots! i knew didn’t look right with a jayOctober 24, 2013 1:47 am at 1:47 am #982514simcha613Participant
Who knows? I wouldn’t be surprised if deep in India or Africa or China there are people who know real kishuf.October 24, 2013 2:43 am at 2:43 am #982515whats_in_a_nameMember
But still…where did the lighter fluid come from?
Magic nowadays is just slight of hand. It takes a lot of practice, but it’s nothing “special” aside from that.October 24, 2013 6:13 am at 6:13 am #982516SanityIsOverratedParticipant
I think real magic was lost when we lost our Nevuah or by Ruach Hakodesh. With the removal of one good, there was also the removal of a bad equivalent. I remember seeing this somewhere, but I have no idea the source.
Basically, the world works on a balance scale. Since we lost a good connection, the bad equivalent was removed. Magic today is more sleight of hand, and neurological twists. Of course, it is possible modern magic has it’s roots from ancient kishuf.October 24, 2013 6:23 am at 6:23 am #982517HaLeiViParticipant
I’ve heard of and read about spells that affect in a general sense. I also read about an instance of the type of Kishuf called, Achizas Einayim. I haven’t seen or heard of anything similar to the hard and sudden stuff we find in Tanach and Chazal.October 24, 2013 8:49 am at 8:49 am #982518no longer need seminaryMember
there is a passuk that when you add the word up or down in lashon hakodesh, is assur to say. It makes whatever you aare reffering to go up or down. Someone i know did it in yeshiva. they made a table move.
Also, if you dont talk on Shavous night, you get ruach hakodesh for the year. – not really magic but still cool!October 24, 2013 4:29 pm at 4:29 pm #982519
seminary help- they made a table move.
Also, if you dont talk on Shavous night, you get ruach hakodesh for the year. – not really magic but still cool!
Don’t beleive any of that.October 24, 2013 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #982520keepitcomingMember
i dont think anyone did..
question- if you could do magic or have a superpower what would u want to be able to do?October 24, 2013 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #982521Bookworm120Participant
@pixelate – A wise expert of Alchemie once told me that nowadays, majick is only practiced by faeries, who are magi.October 24, 2013 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #982522Sam2Participant
The Rambam held that real Kishuf never existed.
The Gra said what Sanity claimed.October 24, 2013 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #982523
Bookworm- huh?October 24, 2013 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #982524Bookworm120Participant
Just magic speak culled from various fantasy books which I’ve read. 🙂 I’ve read a bit too much Septimus Heap, and I took a peek at the kiddie adaptions of Dragonlance.October 25, 2013 3:00 am at 3:00 am #982525SanityIsOverratedParticipant
That’s really funny considering I’m supposedly descended from him. Wow. Thanks for helping me source that though:)October 25, 2013 6:59 am at 6:59 am #982526no longer need seminaryMember
the ruach hakodesh on shavous night is definately true. AI know someone who did it.
Don’t know about the table thoughOctober 25, 2013 9:34 am at 9:34 am #982527RedlegParticipant
Sturgeon’s Law: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”
Halevai, achizas einayim is another way of saying “slight of hand” or “misdirection.”. It was assur because the simple folk of the time could be convinced that it was real magic. Some poskim hold that is still assur today even though almost everyone knows it’s a trick.October 25, 2013 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #982528the-art-of-moiParticipant
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