May 31, 2013 6:10 am at 6:10 am #956373
Different sets of poskim.
Rav Moshe was mattir (even) colored dry powder. This is evident in Igros Moshe. Gedolei Haposkim in E.Y. all said even dry powder is assur.
Rav Blumenkrantz gave a hechsher on some sort of powder. It’s very possible (although I don’t recall the details) that rabbonim in the US who would have otherwise gone along with a heter from R’ Moshe said it was assur because they felt that the finished product stuck to the face and was not what R’ Moshe was referring to.
Good morning.May 31, 2013 8:34 am at 8:34 am #956374resident of ds9Member
Anyone know anything about the Shabbos makeup sold on 13th and 42nd?May 31, 2013 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #956375
Anyone know anything about the Shabbos makeup sold on 13th and 42nd?
Don’t use it.June 2, 2013 2:33 am at 2:33 am #956377
“different sets of poskim”
but one individual or posek cannot hold both opinions at the same time. I still don’t think you realize that you yourself implied both, thus being self-contradictory.June 2, 2013 3:33 am at 3:33 am #956378
I meant two sets, but regardless, there wouldn’t be any contradiction.June 2, 2013 3:44 am at 3:44 am #956379Bar ShattyaMember
Why can’t they just wear a mask on shabbos?
Some of them can use a decent mask even during the week. When I go on dates, I bring one along in the car.
To be more objective, because appearances aren’t supposed to matter. Cause I can lose weight, but you’ll always be ugly.June 2, 2013 3:53 am at 3:53 am #956380
to daas yochid:
If you say so.June 2, 2013 3:59 am at 3:59 am #956381
Why is it a contradiction to say that certain p’sak is a da’as yochid, and an individual’s interpretation of that p’sak is also a da’as yochid?June 2, 2013 4:53 am at 4:53 am #956382
to daas yochid:
I clearly demonstrated the contradiction twice.
rav moshe wrote a tshuva saying that many things were assur.
it is not a complex or long thsuva with chidushei torah. He merely restates the issur of tsvia and memachk. as I remember it since I last read it, there is not a word of heter in it except for the last line where he permits white face powder. Some, including the aformentioned and apparently you, said, “Aha! then the cases that are a little less stringent than the cases given must be mutter!”, thus claiming some makeup as mutter according to rav moshe. (but still forbidden according to others}
but some, and apparently you yourself, think this is a misinterpretation of the thsuva and the makeup is assur according to rav moshe!
you are on both sides of the argument as to what rav moshe meant.
that’s 3 times. the contradiction in your words is there, even If I am not remembering the tshuva exactly.
I not trying to be harsh, just logical.
my unusual burst of activity in CR since just before pesach once again is a response to period of extreme pressure at work.
It is time for me to go back to simmer.June 2, 2013 5:16 am at 5:16 am #956383mewhoParticipant
who needs makeup…wwe are all natural beautiesJune 2, 2013 5:20 am at 5:20 am #956384Bar ShattyaMember
who needs makeup…wwe are all natural beauties
pics or it didn’t happenJune 2, 2013 5:33 am at 5:33 am #956385
Nitpicker, I suppose you didn’t see the teshuvah in which he is mattir colored powder.June 2, 2013 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #956386
DaasYochid, and I suppose you are citing it to support one side of the argument or the other. Not much point since you are on both sides.
in any case I am tired and you may have the the last word. I am also sorry if you were insulted by my comments.June 2, 2013 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #956387
There are always three sides; his, hers, and the truth. 🙂
I am not supporting putting on any type of make-up on Shabbos. I think that’s abundantly clear. However, the truth is that R’ Moshe (as a da’as yochid) was mattir dry white or colored powder. I am skeptical that any such product is (or ever was) on the market, despite claims of the manufacturers, and even despite the “hechsherim” on them.June 2, 2013 7:39 pm at 7:39 pm #956388oomisParticipant
How long does it last? that depends on what it is? some makeup put on before Shabbos with sealants, etc. might last through the night and most of the day. The powedered permissible makeup according to the poskim who mattir them, lasts for much, much less time and requires reapplication,which is probably why they consider it permissible.
Mewho, I wish what you said were the emes! Sadly, many of us need a little (read: a LOT) of help.June 3, 2013 2:59 am at 2:59 am #956389
notasheep- you are right. I should have written:boruch Hashem you have clear skin OR a face you are comfortable with bare. I did say though that its not because of their skin but because it makes them feel insecure. Of course if someone has a good self-image, they very likely won’t let appearance stop them from going out and about.June 3, 2013 7:46 am at 7:46 am #956390TheGoqParticipant
You shouldn’t fight on shabbos but if you do you should definetly make up.June 3, 2013 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #956391
goq- what’s pshat that fighting during the rest of the week is allowed? 🙂June 3, 2013 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #956392notasheepMember
says me – in that case there are other ways of boosting self-image so these girls don’t feel the need to put makeup on on shabbosJune 3, 2013 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #956393
yes, but no quick fix and not guaranteed success. And sometimes it is just appearance related self-image issues, and improved appearance can majorly boost self-esteem too
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