Making a Barocho on a Blossoming Tree in Nissan

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  • #1493841

    Reb Eliezer
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    See Shulchan Aruch O”CH 226.
    Yechaveh Daas 1:1 preferably said in Nissan.

    #1494022

    iacisrmma
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    Are you saying that the Yechaveh Daas is arguing with the Mechaber who says Bimei Nissan?

    #1494094

    Reb Eliezer
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    He says that lakatchila should be done in Nissan but if he missed it, no fruit tree was available, he can still make the barocho in Iyar provided it is still blossoming.

    #1494181

    Reb Eliezer
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    It mentions Nissan because that is the usual time but not Ador and it is
    לאו דוקא.

    #1494236

    golfer
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    The question is: Are we told to make the bracha in Nisan because that’s when the trees (generally) blossom, or is there a particular preference or obligation to make the bracha only in Nisan?
    In most of the Northeastern US fruit trees blossom in Nisan. Even in an “early” year (like this year) by the last few days of Nisan it should have warmed up enough for the earliest blossoms to unfurl.
    The question comes up in Eretz Israel where there are fruit bearing trees like almonds that bloom before Nisan, and in colder climates (or cold springs) where nothing blooms until Iyar.
    Do you make the bracha early (Shvat, Adar) if you see a fruit tree blooming or is there a reason to wait until Nisan?
    Did you miss your chance to make the bracha if Nisan ends and no blossoms opened yet, or can you make the bracha in Iyar?
    What about the Southern Hemisphere where the seasons are all mixed up? (Hint: there are all kinds of shaylos that come up there, and there are different paths in Halacha followed in different places, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, etc according to the poskim who determined Halacha in each place.)
    I’m not going to offer any answers. If I tell you all what my understanding is I just know the complaints will appear like blossoms on a plum tree in Nisan.

    #1494835

    Geordie613
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    In Manchester at the moment it is -2 Celcius, there is still snow on the ground and not a blossom to be seen. So, no one’s saying that particular brocho yet.

    Golfer, In the southern hemisphere the seasons are not “mixed up”. They are in the same order as the rest of the world. Just, opposite from the northern hemisphere. In South Africa, we said the brocho for blossoms in Av/Ellul. I remember as a child once saying it together with Rav Moshe Sternbuch, on Shabbos Chazon, which happened to be Tisha B’Av.

    #1494861

    Lightbrite
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    May I say a blessing on a fruit tree whose fruit has been pruned?

    For example, a coconut tree that’s had all of its coconuts removed?

    Thank you

    #1494879

    Reb Eliezer
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    I think you can only say the blessings before it bears fruits when it is blossoming.

    #1494941

    golfer
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    Lightbrite, the blessing is made when you see the blossoms. A tree with fruit or after the fruit is harvested doesn’t fit the bill. It’s questionable if the closed flower buds are good, better if you can see the petals of an open blossom.
    I have no idea how the blossom of the coconut palm looks. Maybe they’re too high up to notice? All fruits start with a blossom but some are small and insignificant, and some are showy. Some flowering trees that are covered with blossoms in the spring don’t bear edible fruit. The Bracha must be made on the flowers of a tree that bears fruit, like apple, cherry, peach, plum, quince, citrus.
    If you’re in the Northern hemisphere I’m sure your search will produce results soon. Let us know what you found!
    By the way, this Bracha is made only once a year, every spring, preferably Nisan if that works where you are.

    #1495927

    huju
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    No one should make a brocha in any kind of automobile.

    #1495944

    Reb Eliezer
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    If I am correct, Reb Moshe holds that we should make a shecheyonu on a new car.

    #1719290

    Reb Eliezer
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    Don’t forget to make a barocho on a blossoming tree in Nissan.

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