Making a Barocho on a Blossoming Tree in Nissan

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  • #1493841
    Reb Eliezer
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    See Shulchan Aruch O”CH 226.
    Yechaveh Daas 1:1 preferably said in Nissan.

    #1494022
    iacisrmma
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    Are you saying that the Yechaveh Daas is arguing with the Mechaber who says Bimei Nissan?

    #1494094
    Reb Eliezer
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    He says that lakatchila should be done in Nissan but if he missed it, no fruit tree was available, he can still make the barocho in Iyar provided it is still blossoming.

    #1494181
    Reb Eliezer
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    It mentions Nissan because that is the usual time but not Ador and it is
    诇讗讜 讚讜拽讗.

    #1494236
    golfer
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    The question is: Are we told to make the bracha in Nisan because that’s when the trees (generally) blossom, or is there a particular preference or obligation to make the bracha only in Nisan?
    In most of the Northeastern US fruit trees blossom in Nisan. Even in an “early” year (like this year) by the last few days of Nisan it should have warmed up enough for the earliest blossoms to unfurl.
    The question comes up in Eretz Israel where there are fruit bearing trees like almonds that bloom before Nisan, and in colder climates (or cold springs) where nothing blooms until Iyar.
    Do you make the bracha early (Shvat, Adar) if you see a fruit tree blooming or is there a reason to wait until Nisan?
    Did you miss your chance to make the bracha if Nisan ends and no blossoms opened yet, or can you make the bracha in Iyar?
    What about the Southern Hemisphere where the seasons are all mixed up? (Hint: there are all kinds of shaylos that come up there, and there are different paths in Halacha followed in different places, Argentina, South Africa, Australia, etc according to the poskim who determined Halacha in each place.)
    I’m not going to offer any answers. If I tell you all what my understanding is I just know the complaints will appear like blossoms on a plum tree in Nisan.

    #1494835
    Geordie613
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    In Manchester at the moment it is -2 Celcius, there is still snow on the ground and not a blossom to be seen. So, no one’s saying that particular brocho yet.

    Golfer, In the southern hemisphere the seasons are not “mixed up”. They are in the same order as the rest of the world. Just, opposite from the northern hemisphere. In South Africa, we said the brocho for blossoms in Av/Ellul. I remember as a child once saying it together with Rav Moshe Sternbuch, on Shabbos Chazon, which happened to be Tisha B’Av.

    #1494861
    Lightbrite
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    May I say a blessing on a fruit tree whose fruit has been pruned?

    For example, a coconut tree that’s had all of its coconuts removed?

    Thank you

    #1494879
    Reb Eliezer
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    I think you can only say the blessings before it bears fruits when it is blossoming.

    #1494941
    golfer
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    Lightbrite, the blessing is made when you see the blossoms. A tree with fruit or after the fruit is harvested doesn’t fit the bill. It’s questionable if the closed flower buds are good, better if you can see the petals of an open blossom.
    I have no idea how the blossom of the coconut palm looks. Maybe they’re too high up to notice? All fruits start with a blossom but some are small and insignificant, and some are showy. Some flowering trees that are covered with blossoms in the spring don’t bear edible fruit. The Bracha must be made on the flowers of a tree that bears fruit, like apple, cherry, peach, plum, quince, citrus.
    If you’re in the Northern hemisphere I’m sure your search will produce results soon. Let us know what you found!
    By the way, this Bracha is made only once a year, every spring, preferably Nisan if that works where you are.

    #1495927
    huju
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    No one should make a brocha in any kind of automobile.

    #1495944
    Reb Eliezer
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    If I am correct, Reb Moshe holds that we should make a shecheyonu on a new car.

    #1719290
    Reb Eliezer
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    Don’t forget to make a barocho on a blossoming tree in Nissan.

    #1956779
    Reb Eliezer
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    MODS! Please move this topic to decaffeinated coffee!

    Why are you yelling?

    #1962556
    Reb Eliezer
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    bump

    #1963350
    Reb Eliezer
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    Here in Staten Island. we have a designated tree with the brocho on it.
    The brocho should be: 砖诇讗 讞讬住专 讘注讜诇诪讜 讚讘专 讜讘专讗 讘讜 讘专讬讜转 讟讜讘讜转 讜讗讬诇谞讜转 讟讜讘讬诐 诇讛谞讜转 讘讜 讘谞讬 讗讚诐. Ilan is masculine.

    #1963553
    Reb Eliezer
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    The brocho gives a proof for the existence of a Devine Being, by recognizing that everything is orderly,
    who created all for the enjoyment of His creations and did not leave anything to randomness.

    #1963675
    Reb Eliezer
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    The brocho above should be 诇讛谞讜转 讘讛诐 讘谞讬 讟讚诐 as it refers to both the humans and the trees.

    #1963709
    rational
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    It’s obvious that the birchat ha’ilan is for blossoming trees in Nissan in Eretz Yisrael. Applying it to Chutz La’aretz may be halachically sound, but it’s trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The lemon trees in my neighborhood are in full bloom in Nissan and on my tree I’m already seeing fruit alongside the blossoms.
    Why play “pretend”? Come home to Israel , the Torah was written for this land.

    #1963994
    huju
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    Can you make the same Bracha in a Toyota?

    #1964016
    commonsaychel
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    @not a Toyota but if its a Sussita or a Rom Carmel then you can

    #1964086

    You can not say bracha in a Mazda as it is AZ. That is Avoda Zara. You also can’t say bracha over other AZ – Astra Zenica – as astra means “star” and Zenica means nothing, so you don’t want to say brocha over Avoda Zara or over nothing (as in “thanks you for nothing”). It also has questionable performance, so no bracha b’sofek. On a plus side, seems like Wallenbergs still have a share in the company.

    other questionable places for bracha, ask your posek –
    Subaru (stars, Pleiades), Yugo (sakana), Ford (anti-semite), VW (ditto) esp Rabbit and Beetle – not kosher. Tesla – drives by itself, no bracha required

    #1964792
    huju
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    So this Jewish immigrant to America has the good fortune to become wealthy and he buys a Jaguar automobile. He goes to a Conservative rabbi and asks him to make a bracha on the Jaguar, and the Conservative rabbi says he does not know an appropriate bracha for a car, ask an Orthodox rabbi. So the guy goes to an Orthodox rabbi and asks for a bracha on his Jaguar, and the Orthodox rabbi asks, “What’s a Jaguar?” So the guy goes to a Reform rabbi and asks for a bracha on his Jaguar, and the Reform rabbi asks, “What’s a bracha?”

    #1965052
    commonsaychel
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    @huju, then he asks a Open Orthodox rabbi and he say responds, its a svek svaka one side its named after a animal, one the other hand Tata Motors did some enviormental damage and driving a car causes global warming therefore make a brocha without using the shem

    #2074633
    Reb Eliezer
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    #2074933
    ToShma
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    I think it’s 诇讬讛谞讜转. Not 诇讛谞讜转.

    #2075058
    Reb Eliezer
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    There is a mistake in the bracha above not that but it should be 砖诇讗 讞住专 讘注讜诇诪讜 讚讘专 讜讘专讗 讘专讬讜转 讟讜讘讜转 讜讗诇谞讜转 讟讜讘讬诐 诇讛谞讜转 讘讛诐 讘谞讬 讗讚诐.

    #2076901
    Reb Eliezer
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