December 14, 2016 3:44 am at 3:44 am #618836
What if someone wants to move to Israel to get married, start a family, and have a meaningful life?
The first step would be moving to Israel, and the wife and children would presumably follow.
Should I give a bracha and try to help? It seems like there is no perfect time to go, so why not just go? Or is that setting oneself up for disillusionment? But it could be so good and only that person can know for sure what Hashem wants.
Maybe I should not say anything. I think that’s the right thing. To let the person figure it out. Silence is golden?
Thank youDecember 14, 2016 3:55 am at 3:55 am #1199964
Oh benefit is also frum schools in EY are free right?
Which is a huge deal compared to US tuitionDecember 14, 2016 4:09 am at 4:09 am #1199965Mashiach AgentMember
every person has their own reasons & values of making aliya. If you know the persons main reason he wants to move then you can assist him with some advice & chizzuk that you know which applies to his situation otherwise best to stay out of his way & remain silentDecember 14, 2016 4:17 am at 4:17 am #1199966JosephParticipant
Aren’t you in the UK, which also provides free tuition (or low cost government subsidized) for Jewish schools/yeshivas?December 14, 2016 4:21 am at 4:21 am #1199967December 14, 2016 4:31 am at 4:31 am #1199968
Joseph: I’m in the US. Have a connecting flight in the UKDecember 14, 2016 4:33 am at 4:33 am #1199969
ahron: OTD risk for raising children in EY?
Aren’t we all supposed to aspire to live in EY regardless?December 14, 2016 4:55 am at 4:55 am #1199970
once theyre in 1st gradeDecember 14, 2016 5:36 am at 5:36 am #1199971Little FroggieParticipant
Going to Eretz Yisroel?!? Could you please take a small package for me? (small refrigerator)December 14, 2016 6:35 am at 6:35 am #1199972Avi KParticipant
In Chul they are much more likely to go OTD. Even c”v marry out.December 14, 2016 7:25 am at 7:25 am #1199973
Oh benefit is also frum schools in EY are free right?
By “frum” do you mean chareidi, or any dati school? I don’t know about chareidi schools, but the ulpana my kids attended was not free – I think it was about $1,000 a year per kid.
Perhaps it’s time for that someone to find a new rav.December 14, 2016 9:28 am at 9:28 am #1199974
ahron, The problem of OTD kids exists in both communities, unfortunately- some of the reasons are the same, some unique to each place.
While making aliya as a single or newly married couple has its difficulties, raising Israeli-born children is easier than having to uproot kids of various ages, so that they have to get to used to a new culture, learn in a new language, make new friends, etc. For those who want to make aliya with kids, it has to be a careful decision for each individual family, made with daas torah and input from educators. Many say not to go if kids are older than 10, or if kids have learning disabilities that will make picking up fluent Hebrew and learning in a second language very difficult.
LB, if the person asks your advice, feel free to give your bracha and encouragement!December 14, 2016 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1199975
Many say not to go if kids are older than 10 . . .
We came with 3 daughters going into grades 10, 9, and 7. All of them, B”H, are fluent in two languages, two were in the IDF while one chose sheerut leiumi, two are now in university and working, while our “baby” is post-army and is working and thinking about life and career choices. Yes, of course, there may be problems coming with older children, but it can certainly be done. And, all are still B”H dati and shomer mitzvot.December 14, 2016 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1199976
kol hakavod for a smooth k’lita- may you always have nachas from your kids.December 14, 2016 9:09 pm at 9:09 pm #1199977
WTP, thank you!December 14, 2016 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1199978
“I don’t know about chareidi schools, but the ulpana my kids attended was not free – I think it was about $1,000 a year per kid.”
From what I have heard, that is peanuts compared to the cost of most MO high schools in the US! Of course that’s not the same as free, but if you’re comparing to the costs in the US, it is way cheaper.
Did your kids dorm?December 15, 2016 7:27 am at 7:27 am #1199979
Did your kids dorm?
Nope. Our yishuv is about a 15 minute bus ride from the school.December 15, 2016 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1199980
Granted $1,000 in Israel must factor in the cost of living in Israel, household income, disposable income, additional school expenses and….
all the details and additional burdens that may make the $1,000 in Israel more than $1,000 USD.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
Now I know that some Israelis still must pay tuition for religious schooling.December 15, 2016 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm #1199981
Israeli public schools (both secular and religious) are free. The chareidi bais yaakov schools for girls are part of the system and are free, except for books and things, which can add up, but obviously nowhere near as high as US tuitions. There are private girls schools where parents pay as well. For boys, if they go to independent talmudei torah or chadarim, they pay tuition, which is minimal, around what takamamash said. Yeshiva ketana (boys’ high school equivalent) is more expensive.December 15, 2016 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1199982zahavasdadParticipant
Chinuch Atzmai schools have tution, Not sure why thoughDecember 15, 2016 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #1199983
ZD- because they don’t get full funding from the government.December 16, 2016 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1199984
Parents have to pay for the last two years of BY high school (the fifth and sixth years – what would be considered seminary and college in the US, but in EY it is an extension of high school).
Are Bais Yaakovs really completely free? I hadn’t realized that.
A lot of people do send to private schools. It very much depends on the neighborhood. In one neighborhood that I know of, nearly all the Yeshivish people sent to the private school (the Bais Yaakov in that neighborhood did not have a good reputation at that time).December 16, 2016 2:53 am at 2:53 am #1199985
“ZD- because they don’t get full funding from the government.”
Which is why they are called “atzmai”.December 16, 2016 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1199986
I should add to my comment above that the school my girls attended is technically a public school, but it’s all dati – girls, teachers, administrators, principals. The reason the school charges the $1,000 tuition is because there is a wide variety of majors offered, some of which are not offered in most other schools.
(Israeli high school students in 10th grade pick a major; the major dictates which classes they will take for the remainder of high school.)
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