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I used a new hagadda (the rav pam one) this year, and decided that instead of just saying over what it says, I could just make up my own stuff and pretend that it said it.
So I did.
After kiddush, I said that the Gra used to say the bracha of havdalla even during the week because of the line of being mavdil bein yisroel l’amim, since pesach is when that happened.
And then I of course repeated it again the second night.
Why are you telling us this?
Thanks to you when my kids are in school, they’ll be told this story as if it were true. All because of some ibberchochom and his audience who didn’t get the joke.
But it doesn’t make sense.
I also don’t get why when we said Havdala tonight it was ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? since it’s not Shabbos.
T613,
Whether tonight involved that specific havdallah is not the point; it is a significant havdallah to mention, just as is bein Yisroel l’amim and bein or l’choshech.
Thank you DY.
PBA, The Slonimer Rebbe says similiar to your vort. He says sometimes we act like the Chacham, sometimes we act like the Rasha, sometimes we act like the Tam, and sometimes we act like the Sheaino Yodea Lishol. Whichever son you’re acting like, Hashem always wants to have a connection with you. That’s why we say Baruch Hamakom
dy,
when I clicked on your name I was brought to a link on kosher haircutting guide???
Yoya, yes. I know some of the people involved in that project. This is my small way of “contributing” to the project, which was done completely l’sheim shamayim to increase awareness of hilchos payos, and Y.W. Editor and moderators have been very kind to allow the link to remain.
Maybe the reason it says “??? ??? ???? ??? …” is to tell you that even if you have all these different types of children you should look at each one as an “???”. Each one of the 4 sons requires his own method of chinuch and special attention as if he is an only child.
PBA: That might actually be called being Megaleh Panim Batorah Shelo Kihalachah. If this story is true, you might want to stop doing that.
psh, you doods ar amateurs. i pretend my hagada doesn’t have commentary so i can keep my made up gems to myself.
“I said that why does it say ??? ??? ???? ??? etc.; It should say ??? ??? ???? ???.”
I have R’ Elyashiv’s Haggadah, and it has the girsa Echad Chacham vi’Lapid Rasha.
Sam2: In case you haven’t recently, click on popa’s username.
I love this thread. Its one of the funniest ever!
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I wish the ???’s could be fixed. It’s kind of annoying to read posts that have all these ???????s instead of words????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
LilmodU,
Glad you said that!
I hope someone’s listening!
Of all the bugs in the new system, this one is hardest for me to figure out.
A coffee room that doesn’t know aleph beis?
Chadesh yameinu k’kedem!???, ???!
I got a psak from my trusted Rabbi, Rabbi Chaim Minner of Mishniss that it’s okay to make up divrei torah as long as it makes the children ask!
I was once flicking through the Sdei Chemed, and I saw he brings down (think it was ערך שקר) from the מגן אברהם that if you think something [in Torah] is true and you are trying to persuade someone else to the validity of your statement, you may lie and give a source which doesn’t exist.
I wonder if the מגן אברהם actually said that, or if the Sdei Chemed made it up himself.
I suppose I could be making up the Sdei Chemed too.
You could only be doing that if you think it’s true, and you would only think it’s true if you knew for sure that there was a reliable source, but you either forgot what it is or for some reason you didn’t want to give the real source.
Plus I would assume that it’s only permitted in a situation in which you feel that it’s really important to convince someone of this truth. For example, if people are being mevazeh Talmidei Chachamim and you know that according to the Torah that’s a terrible thing to do but you don’t have the source off-hand, and it is important to speak out right away.
I can’t imagine this would fall in that category, so I would find it hard to believe that you made this up. If you knew this was true but didn’t remember the source, you would have just said so.
In any case, it’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
Plus I would assume that it’s only permitted in a situation in which you feel that it’s really important to convince someone of this truth.
I think he says it in relevance to Limmud Hatorah as well – if you are arguing over a sugya and you are convinced of the validity of your claim (which can often happen without an explicit source), you any lie and pretend to have seen it somewhere else. I haven’t seen it for some time, I’ll bli neder look it up.
I don’t get that. It doesn’t make sense to me. I would love to see the source. Thanks!
It just doesn’t jive with other things I’ve heard although I don’t have a source, and I can’t make one up because that would definitely be hypocritical 🙂
Still made all 4 cups before Chatzos both nites, in compliance with the Remo.
Yekke – thanks so much for the source.
I read the beginning and he’s talking about a halacha that the person will (only) accept if he gives a source. That’s very different than what I thought you were talking about.
Also, he doesn’t say to give a (incorrect) source per se’; he says to say it in the name of an “אדם גדול”. When you said to give an incorrect source, I thought you meant a written source from earlier generations. Being תולה something on an “אדם גדול” does not sound like the same thing to me.
I would read the rest, but I find it hard to read sources online, and I have to check if I’m allowed to print it out on chol hamoed.
Is there anything later on that’s relevant to this discussion?
I think he says explicitly that you can quote someone by name. He brings examples from Amoiroim (R’ Papa bsheim Rava?) who bent the truth when quoting other Amoiroim who never said such a thing.
k, thanks, I’ll have to read the rest. I still think that’s different than quoting a written source.
Amongst other things, it would be much more difficult (if not impossible) for someone to find out that you “bent the truth”. Quoting a written source would be a really bad idea, imho.
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