Male Tznius

Yuhara

Tznius (for both women and men) does not exclusively refer to clothing. It’s also speaking loudly in the street (such as on a cellphone), playing a car radio loudly, being an overly loud davener and many other things which call attention to oneself.

Just an observation that I have made.

There are those who criticize chasidim for being as makpid on tznius as they are. And very often the comments have very much a feminist bent to them.

However, it is clear that the Chasidic men are as makpid on themselves, because the very same brilliant people criticize the Chasidic men for wearing black coats in the summer.

Vda’l

Go to a business office and look around.

The men are dressed just as tznius as you might like, according to Rav Falk’s biggest chumros.

The women not so much.

So you see, there is a reason for the focus.

No, it’s not. There are all types of yeshiva bochurim, and that style is more commonly found on one type than on another type.

There seems to be a trend of yeshiva bochurim wearing more fitted clothing. Is that tzinius?

Ya, I know a school that had a rule against very tight fitting clothing for the boys.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/halacha-dressing-under-covers

Of course. Are there frum people that don’t?

see ??”? ??”? ??? ? ???? ?? ??? ? where he writes that anything in Simin ? is ???? ?????? and the dress code for men follows the ???? ????? (I would imagine this means whoever lives in the area including non-jews). He continues there that when you daven you need to be dressed as if you were in front of a king or royalty. It is always forbidden to ???? ???? especially in front of ?????.

Tznius is primarily a mode of behaviour. Mode of dress is an important part thereof, but is not the entirety of it. Halochas must be observed and I am not suggesting otherwise. Nevertheless, there are many aspects of tznius that simply cannot be legislated and therein lies the difficulty.

One could keep all the halochas, but still be un-tznius. Example, a woman who keeps every chumra known (and unknown) insofar as she dresses, yet chews gum like a cow chewing its cud while drooling. Plainly this is not what we expect from a Bas Yisroel. Or, who blocks up the street while fetching her kids from cheder and ends up inconveniencing other people. Or, who screams like a fish-wife.

With men, it could be a case of inconveniencing other passengers on an airplane because they needed to say a 20 minute shemoneh esrah. Or, driving an over-the-top car in order to show off one’s wealth. Or, for that matter ostentatiously keeping chumros to show the world how frum one is – if you’re sincere do it quietly!

My experience has been that dressing tznius is often a direct outgrowth of behaving tznius, more than as an obsession with the technical requirements of dressing tznius. Notwithstanding, that the halachas must be observed regardless.