May 14, 2015 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #615689
Are there any standards of male tznius? We are aware of women and girls should do, but what about men? Is it a proper for a man to walk around in an undershirt or shirtless altogether? I am not talking about proper dress for tefilah; I’m talking about similar situations to that which women are in.May 14, 2015 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1082452May 14, 2015 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #1082453YW Moderator-127Moderator
YuharaMay 14, 2015 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #1082455Little FroggieParticipant
to the OP, look up in Shulchan Aruch.
Of course there’s a mitzva for men to be covered at all times. Not for the same reason as by women. By men it’s because we are always in the presence of HaShem, ??? ?? ???? ?????.May 14, 2015 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1082456The FrumguyParticipant
Tznius (for both women and men) does not exclusively refer to clothing. It’s also speaking loudly in the street (such as on a cellphone), playing a car radio loudly, being an overly loud davener and many other things which call attention to oneself.May 14, 2015 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1082457takahmamashParticipant
I get hot, I put on a pair of shorts. I’ll change back to long pants before I go to shule to daven. That’s just the way it is.May 14, 2015 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1082458nishtdayngesheftParticipant
Just an observation that I have made.
There are those who criticize chasidim for being as makpid on tznius as they are. And very often the comments have very much a feminist bent to them.
However, it is clear that the Chasidic men are as makpid on themselves, because the very same brilliant people criticize the Chasidic men for wearing black coats in the summer.
Vda’lMay 14, 2015 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1082459HaLeiViParticipantMay 15, 2015 4:03 am at 4:03 am #1082460popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Go to a business office and look around.
The men are dressed just as tznius as you might like, according to Rav Falk’s biggest chumros.
The women not so much.
So you see, there is a reason for the focus.May 15, 2015 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #1082461
There seems to be a trend of yeshiva bochurim wearing more fitted clothing. Is that tzinius?May 15, 2015 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1082462☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
No, it’s not. There are all types of yeshiva bochurim, and that style is more commonly found on one type than on another type.May 17, 2015 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1082463sushibagelMember
According to some of the stricter opinions it’s forbidden for a man to even walk barefoot even outside of his bedroomMay 17, 2015 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1082464Jewish ThinkerParticipant
There seems to be a trend of yeshiva bochurim wearing more fitted clothing. Is that tzinius?
Ya, I know a school that had a rule against very tight fitting clothing for the boys.May 17, 2015 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm #1082465
Even a man is required to take off and change his clothing only under a blanket and never openly even in his own bedroom.May 18, 2015 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1082466May 18, 2015 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1082467
Joseph, is that what you do?May 18, 2015 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1082468
Of course. Are there frum people that don’t?May 18, 2015 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #1082469
Somehow I would be surprised that the frum guys who come to the door in their undershirts would get undressed under the covers.May 19, 2015 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1082470shulchanhashalemMember
see ??”? ??”? ??? ? ???? ?? ??? ? where he writes that anything in Simin ? is ???? ?????? and the dress code for men follows the ???? ????? (I would imagine this means whoever lives in the area including non-jews). He continues there that when you daven you need to be dressed as if you were in front of a king or royalty. It is always forbidden to ???? ???? especially in front of ?????.May 19, 2015 2:19 am at 2:19 am #1082471ItcheSrulikMember
I was hoping someone would rant about men’s jeggings…May 19, 2015 3:02 am at 3:02 am #1082472owlMemberMay 19, 2015 8:27 am at 8:27 am #1082473interjectionParticipant
I think flashy belts and belts with logos should be assur. If women’s shirts that have something written on the front are assur, belts for men is the same thing.May 19, 2015 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1082474ABS-SAParticipant
Tznius is primarily a mode of behaviour. Mode of dress is an important part thereof, but is not the entirety of it. Halochas must be observed and I am not suggesting otherwise. Nevertheless, there are many aspects of tznius that simply cannot be legislated and therein lies the difficulty.
One could keep all the halochas, but still be un-tznius. Example, a woman who keeps every chumra known (and unknown) insofar as she dresses, yet chews gum like a cow chewing its cud while drooling. Plainly this is not what we expect from a Bas Yisroel. Or, who blocks up the street while fetching her kids from cheder and ends up inconveniencing other people. Or, who screams like a fish-wife.
With men, it could be a case of inconveniencing other passengers on an airplane because they needed to say a 20 minute shemoneh esrah. Or, driving an over-the-top car in order to show off one’s wealth. Or, for that matter ostentatiously keeping chumros to show the world how frum one is – if you’re sincere do it quietly!
My experience has been that dressing tznius is often a direct outgrowth of behaving tznius, more than as an obsession with the technical requirements of dressing tznius. Notwithstanding, that the halachas must be observed regardless.May 19, 2015 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1082475☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
ABS-SA, I would say your excellent point a bit differently; tzniyus is a middah. That middah manifests itself in both behavior and dress.
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