February 26, 2012 2:38 am at 2:38 am #602216
anyone know which hotels in the NY-NJ area have manual locks on guest room doors? lately most hotels have electronic key cards, causing problems for frum people who want to stay in a hotel for Shabbos.February 26, 2012 3:08 am at 3:08 am #854392
The Doubletree Hilton in Somerset does.February 26, 2012 3:38 am at 3:38 am #854393hershiMember
What should someone do if they are in a hotel for Shabbos that only has a electronic keycard?February 26, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #854394
Call your rabbi.February 26, 2012 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #854395
there are ways of getting around the problem, but if I go away for Shabbos I’d rather just avoid the whole issue if possible.February 26, 2012 4:00 pm at 4:00 pm #854396popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Once I was staying a hotel in Salt Lake, like a moron, for shabbos that only had electronic locks.
The rabbi I asked suggested that we leave the door unlocked, but said that if we get locked out, we can ask the hotel staff to let us in.February 26, 2012 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #854397mom12Participant
we were in a hotel with card for shabos..
The main door had t b opened by one of the workers. we had to make sure to use the main door.
in the room we put a piece of cardboard so the door does not lattch into hole.. then we put the ‘do not disturb’ sign so none of the cleaning crew come in.. besides how would you carry a key?
u would hide somewhere?February 26, 2012 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #854398
PBA, I bet you are not the first and won’t be the last frum person to experience this.
Mom12, if you want to leave the hotel you can leave the key at the front desk. Although you may need to leave through a window since the front doors are often activated electronically.
All these hotels that advertise for Pesach–what do they do? anyone know? come on, someone out there has been to a hotel for yom tov!February 27, 2012 1:02 am at 1:02 am #854399writersoulParticipant
I’ve been at hotels for Pesach, as I’ve said in another thread, and we just leave the door unlocked. You can put in a door wedge and then use the chain when you’re inside, and when you’re outside nothing really happens.
Stamford Plaza has keys.February 27, 2012 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #854400
hotels that have hundreds of frum people for yom tov–everyone just leaves their doors unlocked? day and night? does not sound safe at all.February 27, 2012 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #854401
How do you carry your key to the front desk? Did you make an eiruv chatzerois? Did you find out if any other jews are in the hotel, and did you lease the public space from the hotel owner? I don’t see how a key is better.February 27, 2012 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #854402
How do you carry your key to the front desk? Did you make an eiruv chatzerois? Did you find out if any other jews are in the hotel, and did you lease the public space from the hotel owner? I don’t see how a key is better.February 27, 2012 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #854403BTGuyParticipant
I would hope they would also have manual bagels.February 27, 2012 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #854404popa_bar_abbaParticipant
squeak: Would you need an eruv in a hotel, or would we say is is all reshus hayachid of the hotelier?February 27, 2012 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #854405
squeak – It’s actually quite commonplace for Jews to lease the public space. I know someone who went to some random hotel for Shabbos and wanted to do so, and he was wondering what to say to the manager. As soon as he walked over to her though (and obviously he looked like an observant Jew) she said to him, “Oh, you’re here to give me the dollar?”February 27, 2012 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #854406
Popa, I am not knowledgable in hilchos eiruvin, but I assume that your room is a different reshus from the rest of the hotel and you would need an eiruv. I know that when frum groups go to hotels the organizer makes sure there is one person who takes care of the eiruv, but I thought the OP might be going alone. It is easy to make an eiruv chatzeiros but you have to know that you need one.February 28, 2012 3:03 am at 3:03 am #854407
oh boy. this is a lot more complicated than I would’ve thought.February 28, 2012 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #854408AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
Just tell the front desk person ‘I am a Sabbath observer and so I’m not allowed, for religious reasons, to use the electronic door locks. but I need to get into my room’.
Usually you need not say any more than that. Unless the person is a total idiot they’ll say to you “No problem, I’ll send someone to open your door for you.”
In this way you have not even directly asked anyone to do it for you, and what you DID say wasn’t even said to the person who actually opened the door.February 29, 2012 12:46 am at 12:46 am #854409
thanks for all the suggestions!
maybe I should stay in my swamp 😉
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