December 10, 2012 12:31 am at 12:31 am #607344
What’s your favorite tune for maoz tzur?
Tonight I sang O say can you see, and it turned out great. I also tried the Hatikva and it works well too. I like to sing a different song for every verse to make it sound interesting.
What’s your favorite tune?
Ps. The popular tune for Maoz tzur is an old German folk song from the 1600’s and also used in church choirs.December 10, 2012 12:51 am at 12:51 am #913278farrocksMember
The popular tune was used for Maoz Tzur before it was ever coopted by any church.December 10, 2012 1:25 am at 1:25 am #913279
The old popular one is very hard on the voice. Maybe its just me but every time I sing it I get out of breath and feel a bit strained.December 10, 2012 3:24 am at 3:24 am #913280
Really? Where’d you hear or see that?December 10, 2012 3:27 am at 3:27 am #913281WolfishMusingsParticipant
We use two different tunes. My wife grew up with one tune whereas I inherited a different tune from yeshiva.
As a result, we switch off — one night her tune, one night mine.
The WolfDecember 10, 2012 5:30 am at 5:30 am #913282
Its good to see that chivalry isn’t dead 🙂
Ah freilichen chanukah!December 10, 2012 5:53 am at 5:53 am #913283
The popular song, which I don’t sing, matches the style of music from the era that Maoz Tzur was composed.
Moreover, the tune fits exactly with the rhyming pattern, and its parenthetical rhyme. AB,ABBB,CC,B.December 10, 2012 6:36 am at 6:36 am #913284yehudayonaParticipant
I don’t have any evidence, but I think Farrocks is wrong. It certainly sounds like a church tune. Somebody should ask Velvel Pasternak.December 10, 2012 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #913285rebdonielMember
A rav once told me that a great deal of Nusach haTefila was copied from Church tunes, but that some was derived from the shirei haLeviim.
How would such a musical heritage be kept in tact over so many years? And how do we account for the fact that different communities have vastly different nusachot?December 10, 2012 8:44 pm at 8:44 pm #913286
Yehuda, it is silly to judge a style based on your small surroundings. What do they sing in your church? I never heard anything past the bells. Anyone familiar with old German songs can recognize the style.December 10, 2012 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #913287
From Wikipedia:December 10, 2012 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #913288
Rebdoniel, a lot of the common Nusach comes from the maharil, who was a Chazzan.December 11, 2012 2:31 am at 2:31 am #913289rebdonielMember
The Maharil certainly is the av ha chazzanut.
But it’s interesting that much of nusach and Church plainchant shares the same musical identity- both follow pentatonic schemes.December 11, 2012 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #913290BSDMember
who can say who copied who.December 11, 2012 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #913291
uneeq – I sing the regular tune but changing it is a cute idea.December 11, 2012 10:30 pm at 10:30 pm #913292
Torah613: Thanks. Tonight I tried Im Eshkochaich by Yaakov Shwekey. It works perfect. I think Racheim works too, but it can sound too depressing for Hanukka.December 11, 2012 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #913293
uneeq – LOL, does this drive your family crazy?
Why do you spell Hanukka like that?December 12, 2012 11:17 am at 11:17 am #913294
What do you mean? I spelled hanukka the same way you did!?
I’m not sure if it drives my wife crazy, though it definitely drove me crazy.December 16, 2012 3:07 am at 3:07 am #913295
Whatever, I totally lost the thread of this conversation.December 16, 2012 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #913296twistedParticipant
so with the german tune uninversally spread among ashkenazim, are we all descendant/ branched from the Yekkes?December 16, 2012 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #913297
Twisted: so with the german tune uninversally spread among ashkenazim, are we all descendant/ branched from the Yekkes?
Yes, in the same way that we all are descendants of the Sephardic R’ Shlomo Alkabetz from Tzfat.
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