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What’s your favorite tune for maoz tzur?
Tonight I sang O say can you see, and it turned out great. I also tried the Hatikva and it works well too. I like to sing a different song for every verse to make it sound interesting.
What’s your favorite tune?
Ps. The popular tune for Maoz tzur is an old German folk song from the 1600’s and also used in church choirs.
The popular tune was used for Maoz Tzur before it was ever coopted by any church.
The old popular one is very hard on the voice. Maybe its just me but every time I sing it I get out of breath and feel a bit strained.
Farrocks
Really? Where’d you hear or see that?
We use two different tunes. My wife grew up with one tune whereas I inherited a different tune from yeshiva.
As a result, we switch off — one night her tune, one night mine.
The Wolf
Wolf
Its good to see that chivalry isn’t dead 🙂
Ah freilichen chanukah!
The popular song, which I don’t sing, matches the style of music from the era that Maoz Tzur was composed.
Moreover, the tune fits exactly with the rhyming pattern, and its parenthetical rhyme. AB,ABBB,CC,B.
I don’t have any evidence, but I think Farrocks is wrong. It certainly sounds like a church tune. Somebody should ask Velvel Pasternak.
A rav once told me that a great deal of Nusach haTefila was copied from Church tunes, but that some was derived from the shirei haLeviim.
How would such a musical heritage be kept in tact over so many years? And how do we account for the fact that different communities have vastly different nusachot?
Yehuda, it is silly to judge a style based on your small surroundings. What do they sing in your church? I never heard anything past the bells. Anyone familiar with old German songs can recognize the style.
Rebdoniel, a lot of the common Nusach comes from the maharil, who was a Chazzan.
The Maharil certainly is the av ha chazzanut.
But it’s interesting that much of nusach and Church plainchant shares the same musical identity- both follow pentatonic schemes.
who can say who copied who.
uneeq – I sing the regular tune but changing it is a cute idea.
uneeq – LOL, does this drive your family crazy?
Why do you spell Hanukka like that?
Whatever, I totally lost the thread of this conversation.
so with the german tune uninversally spread among ashkenazim, are we all descendant/ branched from the Yekkes?
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