Maoz Tzur Tunes

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    uneeq
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    What’s your favorite tune for maoz tzur?

    Tonight I sang O say can you see, and it turned out great. I also tried the Hatikva and it works well too. I like to sing a different song for every verse to make it sound interesting.

    What’s your favorite tune?

    Ps. The popular tune for Maoz tzur is an old German folk song from the 1600’s and also used in church choirs.

    #913278
    farrocks
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    The popular tune was used for Maoz Tzur before it was ever coopted by any church.

    #913279
    WIY
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    The old popular one is very hard on the voice. Maybe its just me but every time I sing it I get out of breath and feel a bit strained.

    #913280
    WIY
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    Farrocks

    Really? Where’d you hear or see that?

    #913281
    WolfishMusings
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    We use two different tunes. My wife grew up with one tune whereas I inherited a different tune from yeshiva.

    As a result, we switch off — one night her tune, one night mine.

    The Wolf

    #913282
    WIY
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    Wolf

    Its good to see that chivalry isn’t dead 🙂

    Ah freilichen chanukah!

    #913283
    HaLeiVi
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    The popular song, which I don’t sing, matches the style of music from the era that Maoz Tzur was composed.

    Moreover, the tune fits exactly with the rhyming pattern, and its parenthetical rhyme. AB,ABBB,CC,B.

    #913284
    yehudayona
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    I don’t have any evidence, but I think Farrocks is wrong. It certainly sounds like a church tune. Somebody should ask Velvel Pasternak.

    #913285
    rebdoniel
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    A rav once told me that a great deal of Nusach haTefila was copied from Church tunes, but that some was derived from the shirei haLeviim.

    How would such a musical heritage be kept in tact over so many years? And how do we account for the fact that different communities have vastly different nusachot?

    #913286
    HaLeiVi
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    Yehuda, it is silly to judge a style based on your small surroundings. What do they sing in your church? I never heard anything past the bells. Anyone familiar with old German songs can recognize the style.

    #913287
    uneeq
    Member

    From Wikipedia:

    #913288
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Rebdoniel, a lot of the common Nusach comes from the maharil, who was a Chazzan.

    #913289
    rebdoniel
    Member

    The Maharil certainly is the av ha chazzanut.

    But it’s interesting that much of nusach and Church plainchant shares the same musical identity- both follow pentatonic schemes.

    #913290
    BSD
    Member

    who can say who copied who.

    #913291
    Torah613Torah
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    uneeq – I sing the regular tune but changing it is a cute idea.

    #913292
    uneeq
    Member

    Torah613: Thanks. Tonight I tried Im Eshkochaich by Yaakov Shwekey. It works perfect. I think Racheim works too, but it can sound too depressing for Hanukka.

    #913293
    Torah613Torah
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    uneeq – LOL, does this drive your family crazy?

    Why do you spell Hanukka like that?

    #913294
    uneeq
    Member

    What do you mean? I spelled hanukka the same way you did!?

    I’m not sure if it drives my wife crazy, though it definitely drove me crazy.

    #913295
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Whatever, I totally lost the thread of this conversation.

    #913296
    twisted
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    so with the german tune uninversally spread among ashkenazim, are we all descendant/ branched from the Yekkes?

    #913297
    uneeq
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    Twisted: so with the german tune uninversally spread among ashkenazim, are we all descendant/ branched from the Yekkes?

    Yes, in the same way that we all are descendants of the Sephardic R’ Shlomo Alkabetz from Tzfat.

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